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Dude, just buy her the doll.


Pretty much concur. There's so much worse shit out there for her to get involved with.


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Why is it more wrong than anything else? Why make the stand on this one?


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Myself and my daughter's mother have long agreed the whole idea of this thing is pretty ridiculous and borderline morally wrong (what with hunger and everything)

But my daughter remains staunch in her requests. She's had an awesome year at school and I dont wanna to deny her big christmas gift, but we've always been firmly against it

Am I just cheap or does anyone else think speding 40 dollars on one outfit or 20 dollars on a haircut for a doll is dumb?


American Girl dolls are ridiculous & morally wrong??? What does hunger have to do with American Girl dolls? Bryan...if she wants an American Girl doll, then buy her an American Girl doll.

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American Girl dolls are ridiculous & morally wrong???


There are a precious few of us that understand the immorality of indoctrinating children into the wanton pursuit of Veblen goods while others are starving.

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we bought my daughter an american girl doll and she loves it and has her friends over with their dolls all the time and they have a blast. whats the harm? yes, they are expensive but its not like you have to take out a home equity loan to buy one. id feel worse about buying video games and sinking a bunch of money into that. at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.


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You allow the Addy doll in the house ? Or is she a field worker for you?

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we bought my daughter an american girl doll and she loves it and has her friends over with their dolls all the time and they have a blast. whats the harm? yes, they are expensive but its not like you have to take out a home equity loan to buy one. id feel worse about buying video games and sinking a bunch of money into that. at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.


Everyone wants their kid to be happy. So, in our society, the first inclination of most people is probably going to be, "just buy her the fucking doll." I'm not lecturing anyone. Hell, I've got a Mercedes Benz I hardly ever drive sitting in the garage. I'd be a pretty big hypocrite scolding someone about conspicuous consumption. But I understand RPB's quandary. He wonders whether succumbing to the pressure that has been put on his young daughter via advertising and just buying the doll because she wants it is teaching her the wrong thing. It's a legitimate question.

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stoneroses86 wrote:
I feel very fortunate that my daughter has never expressed any interest in these ridiculous American Girl dolls and seems content to play with good old fashioned Barbies.

Sing it, sister!

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RPB, we were in the same boat. Was not going to buy our daughter one.

We finally caved and 2 years later she still loves it. Check Craigslist for clothes and all the other stuff. The doll we bought new but just about everything else has been used off of Ebay or Craigslist.

Yeah, I saw the clothes can be had other places. Ill probably end up doing that.


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The American Girls dolls are not only well made dolls with top notch clothing, they actually help educate girls. They come with a story about the girl they represent. Many are from the 1800's and kids learn about how/when the character they represent came to America. They learn about how some kids were forced to work, before labor laws prohibited such exploitation. It's really pretty educational, besides the dolls being of higher quality. My Daughter has 5-6 of them and she will probably keep them for her children and grandchildren. Samantha was her first, Kirsten and Nellie came after Samantha. The last doll she got was Addy, who was a black slave, who escaped a plantation in North Carolina. Each doll comes with a book that tells the story of that girl and the stories are really quite good.

Thanks, that's pretty informative

Why do you know so much? I thought you only had a son.




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I just asked my daughter- we did buy her one (Kit), when she was in third grade. That was too late, according to her, the doll-playing-with stage is more like Kindergarten. Hers is now in the box, played with for about a year. She regrets choosing the doll with short hair- she lacks a styling activity

Yeah, that's one drawback. Im probably a year late for timing.




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Dude, just buy her the doll.

Fine

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Colonel Angus wrote:
Dude, just buy her the doll.


Pretty much concur. There's so much worse shit out there for her to get involved with.

Not sure I love that logic, but ok


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Myself and my daughter's mother have long agreed the whole idea of this thing is pretty ridiculous and borderline morally wrong (what with hunger and everything)

But my daughter remains staunch in her requests. She's had an awesome year at school and I dont wanna to deny her big christmas gift, but we've always been firmly against it

Am I just cheap or does anyone else think speding 40 dollars on one outfit or 20 dollars on a haircut for a doll is dumb?


American Girl dolls are ridiculous & morally wrong??? What does hunger have to do with American Girl dolls? Bryan...if she wants an American Girl doll, then buy her an American Girl doll.

First of all, I dont like your tone.

Secondly, havent you ever looked at the price tag of some stupid thing and thought about how crazy it is what we spend money on with the fact that we have people starving? I just think its a little crazy to be spending 30 and 40 dollars on dolls clothing and things.

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we bought my daughter an american girl doll and she loves it and has her friends over with their dolls all the time and they have a blast. whats the harm? yes, they are expensive but its not like you have to take out a home equity loan to buy one. id feel worse about buying video games and sinking a bunch of money into that. at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.

That's a fair point, but if were talking worth, Ill bet she'll spend more time on the new tablet then with the doll


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Why is it more wrong than anything else? Why make the stand on this one?

I guess the price of the doll and the fact that there is a continued cost with it just rubs me the wrong way. Im sure Im coming off cheap in this thread, but I just dont like getting ripped off THAT much. I mean I find this to be a higher level of rip off than most.


Anyway, I think Ill get it. She asked last year but it was like two days before Christmas and we had already got her the DS as her big gift. This last year she made a friend who has an American Girl doll so it got ramped up.


I can put aside what I consider the moral issue and just buy my daughter the thing she wants for Christmas just because it's Christmas and she's 7 but Im not crazy about the whole deal with these dolls.


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After you buy the doll, find a bum on the street, and knock the food out of his hand.

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After you buy the doll, find a bum on the street, and knock the food out of his hand.

Seriously, I imagine if you go to the downtown store, you will encounter a minimum of three homeless people.....on your way to buy a doll whose clothes cost more than an actual childs.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
After you buy the doll, find a bum on the street, and knock the food out of his hand.

Seriously, I imagine if you go to the downtown store, you will encounter a minimum of three homeless people.....on your way to buy a doll whose clothes cost more than an actual childs.



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rogers park bryan wrote:
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After you buy the doll, find a bum on the street, and knock the food out of his hand.

Seriously, I imagine if you go to the downtown store, you will encounter a minimum of three homeless people.....on your way to buy a doll whose clothes cost more than an actual childs.
I agree. Homeless people are annoying.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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After you buy the doll, find a bum on the street, and knock the food out of his hand.

Seriously, I imagine if you go to the downtown store, you will encounter a minimum of three homeless people.....on your way to buy a doll whose clothes cost more than an actual childs.
I agree. Homeless people are annoying.

Right...bro?


And they look disgusting. I shouldnt have to see that. I work.


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Almost everything you buy at the store is a ripoff. Cheap plastic crap from Chinese labor camps...errrrr modern factory. None of us other than you really have enough information to make the right decision for you. If you've got the dough and she has her heart set on it, I don't see it being that big a deal. If you're piling up debt on the credit card for the thing, then no, probably not a good decision.

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Almost everything you buy at the store is a ripoff. Cheap plastic crap from Chinese labor camps...errrrr modern factory. None of us other than you really have enough information to make the right decision for you. If you've got the dough and she has her heart set on it, I don't see it being that big a deal. If you're piling up debt on the credit card for the thing, then no, probably not a good decision.

No debt for me, cowboy.

I can afford it. Ill get it.

And you're right that everything is a rip off. This one is just such an in your face ripoff though, ya know?


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You know what's a fucking ripoff is ballet classes. I probably spend over $1000/year on that shit. Kills my feet too.

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at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.

You're required to buy Madden every year?

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You know what's a fucking ripoff is ballet classes. I probably spend over $1000/year on that shit. Kills my feet too.

:lol:

You aint kiddin.

We were deciding between soccer, karate, or ballet for my daughter and I was a little surprised there were limited options for introductory classes.

Its like 900$ for 12 months.


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at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.

You're required to buy Madden every year?

If his kids love it and want it....then almost required.


But video games are such a deal when you think about time spent vs almost everything else a kid will get.


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I guess the price of the doll and the fact that there is a continued cost with it just rubs me the wrong way. Im sure Im coming off cheap in this thread, but I just dont like getting ripped off THAT much. I mean I find this to be a higher level of rip off than most.


well here is what we did - bought her the doll, and we have purchased knockoff clothes and stuff at Target and she has no problems with that. Also clothes and accessories are great christmas present ideas for relatives, so she does get some actual american girl merchandise through gifts.

to be honest, after the price of the doll, we have not spent an inordinate amount of money on this, and she loves that doll and she and her friends play with them all the time. like i said before, i get worn out by a lot of other kids-related costs more than this.


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We were deciding between soccer, karate, or ballet for my daughter


No Irish dancing?

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We were deciding between soccer, karate, or ballet for my daughter


No Irish dancing?

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at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.

You're required to buy Madden every year?

If his kids love it and want it....then almost required.


But video games are such a deal when you think about time spent vs almost everything else a kid will get.

You could probably just print an insert for the new cover, and give it to the kids, and they wouldn't know the difference. Just update the rosters and you're set.

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at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.

You're required to buy Madden every year?


no, but it is something my son looks forward to at christmas each year so we do it. do i like it? no, but we all make our choices about what we are willing to spend on the kids. my point was that video games such as madden and whatever the nba game is that he likes are much more of a continued investment in our case than the doll.


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Douchebag wrote:
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at least i dont have to buy the latest version of a doll every year like we do madden.

You're required to buy Madden every year?

If his kids love it and want it....then almost required.


But video games are such a deal when you think about time spent vs almost everything else a kid will get.

You could probably just print an insert for the new cover, and give it to the kids, and they wouldn't know the difference. Just update the rosters and you're set.

I dont think you can update the rosters on out of date games


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You could probably just print an insert for the new cover, and give it to the kids, and they wouldn't know the difference. Just update the rosters and you're set.
You know how some people say that only those who have kids should give parenting advice? Sometimes they have a point.

I don't know if lying to your kids on Christmas morning is good parenting.

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You could probably just print an insert for the new cover, and give it to the kids, and they wouldn't know the difference. Just update the rosters and you're set.
You know how some people say that only those who have kids should give parenting advice? Sometimes they have a point.

I don't know if lying to your kids on Christmas morning is good parenting.

Neither of you should even be posting in a thread on parenting.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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You could probably just print an insert for the new cover, and give it to the kids, and they wouldn't know the difference. Just update the rosters and you're set.
You know how some people say that only those who have kids should give parenting advice? Sometimes they have a point.

I don't know if lying to your kids on Christmas morning is good parenting.

Neither of you should even be posting in a thread on parenting.


i have 2 dogs, can i opine ?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
You could probably just print an insert for the new cover, and give it to the kids, and they wouldn't know the difference. Just update the rosters and you're set.
You know how some people say that only those who have kids should give parenting advice? Sometimes they have a point.

I don't know if lying to your kids on Christmas morning is good parenting.

Neither of you should even be posting in a thread on parenting.


i have 2 dogs, can i opine ?

You think 2 dogs = 1 human?

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