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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:32 pm 
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I would like to know Alex Rodriguez' thoughts about Nelson Mandela, and I will immediately take the opposite opinion because Alex Rodriguez is a liar and a punk. Most importantly, however, he (Alex Rodriguez, not Nelson Mandela) does not produce quality slugging in the playoffs. Actually, this is somewhat of an understatement, and feeble old Nelson Mandela (and Dan Bernstein) probably could have at least gotten the bat around on some of those Detroit Tigers fastballs. Unlike Alex Rodriguez, who made it look like those fastballs were traveling at the speed of sound.

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I would like to know Alex Rodriguez' thoughts about Nelson Mandela, and I will immediately take the opposite opinion because Alex Rodriguez is a liar and a punk. Most importantly, however, he (Alex Rodriguez, not Nelson Mandela) does not produce quality slugging in the playoffs. Actually, this is somewhat of an understatement, and feeble old Nelson Mandela (and Dan Bernstein) probably could have at least gotten the bat around on some of those Detroit Tigers fastballs. Unlike Alex Rodriguez, who made it look like those fastballs were traveling at the speed of sound.


He won a WS for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
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stoneroses86 wrote:
I would like to know Alex Rodriguez' thoughts about Nelson Mandela, and I will immediately take the opposite opinion because Alex Rodriguez is a liar and a punk. Most importantly, however, he (Alex Rodriguez, not Nelson Mandela) does not produce quality slugging in the playoffs. Actually, this is somewhat of an understatement, and feeble old Nelson Mandela (and Dan Bernstein) probably could have at least gotten the bat around on some of those Detroit Tigers fastballs. Unlike Alex Rodriguez, who made it look like those fastballs were traveling at the speed of sound.


He won a WS for you.


Mandela was in Shawshank Redemption.


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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
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Nas wrote:
stoneroses86 wrote:
I would like to know Alex Rodriguez' thoughts about Nelson Mandela, and I will immediately take the opposite opinion because Alex Rodriguez is a liar and a punk. Most importantly, however, he (Alex Rodriguez, not Nelson Mandela) does not produce quality slugging in the playoffs. Actually, this is somewhat of an understatement, and feeble old Nelson Mandela (and Dan Bernstein) probably could have at least gotten the bat around on some of those Detroit Tigers fastballs. Unlike Alex Rodriguez, who made it look like those fastballs were traveling at the speed of sound.


He won a WS for you.

I realize that I am a little older than you, but my memory is a little hazy on this issue. In my memory, this loser was along for the ride that year. Same as that jerk Reggie Jackson in 1977. You do not join a club and try to usurp Thurman Munson as the leader of that club.

In any case, this day is really about Nelson Mandela, his work in Shawshank Redemption, and his bat speed which, even on his death bed, was quicker than Alex Rodriguez.

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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
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That's a double fail. Wrong photo, and who in the hell is going to be wandering around Detroit at 11pm that would have coherent thoughts about Mandela?

Spanky?

Funny part about this?

Our hotel window literally faced the NBC-4 building in Detroit. I should have run across the street and looked for whoever mixed up Mandela with A-Rod.

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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
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Nas-like naysayer about Nelson:

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What's with everyone jumping on the Mandela bandwagon?

I will never understand the human need for idolatry.

How many people who mourn Mandela know he founded Umkhonto we Sizwe(Spear of the Nation), otherwise known as MK, the armed terrorist wing of the ANC? A communist/terrorist organization supported by the Soviet Union and it's proxies.

MK was responsible for the deaths of many innocents.

An argument can be made for the need for violence as a means to fight overwhelming oppression, but pretending it didn't happen and trying to erase it like an Orwellian redaction is disingenuous, or even potentially dangerous.

Mandela not only refused to renounce violence in exchange for amnesty/release, but Amnesty International refused to take on his case. Instead, his sycophantic supporters in liberal media attempt to beautify him as a saint.

Make no mistake, apartheid was wrong and thankfully is now gone. But it's very hard to effectively argue that the replacement in the form of rampant ANC corruption, national mismanagement, and quiet acceptance of minority genocide is any better.

The supposed victory in the elimination of the Apartheid system has simply exchanged one horrible system for another. Real unemployment in South Africa today, even with massive foreign aid and investment, sits at about 1 out of every 3 today in South Africa, about 4 times higher than during the heavily embargoed(and wrong) apartheid era. And violence in parts of South Africa today could be described as reaching pandemic levels. ANC response to the explosion in HIV/AIDS is frightening.

Mandela also aligned himself very closely with the likes of Fidel Castro(who felt the need to have over 300,000 Cuban soldier fight, fail, and die in their unsuccessful attempt to invade/destroy South Africa) as a proxy for the Soviet Union's effort to achieve dominance in a globally strategic portion of the world. He also aligned himself with the likes of Libya's Qaddafi. Nelson Mandela didn't exactly keep the most pleasant of company, nor distance himself from it. It is only the sycophants that attempt to rewrite or redact those highly embarrassing historical facts.

Look to South Africa's north in the story of Zimbabwe. What was sold to the west by liberal media and politicans as a battle of white versus oppressed black when underneath lurked a 3 way Cold War battle amongst a naive west, the Soviet Union, and China. China won without question in Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union and the west lost. And the naive west ignored the mass genocide of Mugabe's consolidation of power.

What is Mandela's legacy?

Too soon to tell.........but what we do know is that apartheid was wrong, Mandela's ANC is openly plundering the country like a war prize, and you can't eat a vote.

I wonder what the Xhosa word for teflon is?


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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
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W_Z wrote:
Nas-like naysayer about Nelson:

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What's with everyone jumping on the Mandela bandwagon?

I will never understand the human need for idolatry.

How many people who mourn Mandela know he founded Umkhonto we Sizwe(Spear of the Nation), otherwise known as MK, the armed terrorist wing of the ANC? A communist/terrorist organization supported by the Soviet Union and it's proxies.

MK was responsible for the deaths of many innocents.

An argument can be made for the need for violence as a means to fight overwhelming oppression, but pretending it didn't happen and trying to erase it like an Orwellian redaction is disingenuous, or even potentially dangerous.

Mandela not only refused to renounce violence in exchange for amnesty/release, but Amnesty International refused to take on his case. Instead, his sycophantic supporters in liberal media attempt to beautify him as a saint.

Make no mistake, apartheid was wrong and thankfully is now gone. But it's very hard to effectively argue that the replacement in the form of rampant ANC corruption, national mismanagement, and quiet acceptance of minority genocide is any better.

The supposed victory in the elimination of the Apartheid system has simply exchanged one horrible system for another. Real unemployment in South Africa today, even with massive foreign aid and investment, sits at about 1 out of every 3 today in South Africa, about 4 times higher than during the heavily embargoed(and wrong) apartheid era. And violence in parts of South Africa today could be described as reaching pandemic levels. ANC response to the explosion in HIV/AIDS is frightening.

Mandela also aligned himself very closely with the likes of Fidel Castro(who felt the need to have over 300,000 Cuban soldier fight, fail, and die in their unsuccessful attempt to invade/destroy South Africa) as a proxy for the Soviet Union's effort to achieve dominance in a globally strategic portion of the world. He also aligned himself with the likes of Libya's Qaddafi. Nelson Mandela didn't exactly keep the most pleasant of company, nor distance himself from it. It is only the sycophants that attempt to rewrite or redact those highly embarrassing historical facts.

Look to South Africa's north in the story of Zimbabwe. What was sold to the west by liberal media and politicans as a battle of white versus oppressed black when underneath lurked a 3 way Cold War battle amongst a naive west, the Soviet Union, and China. China won without question in Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union and the west lost. And the naive west ignored the mass genocide of Mugabe's consolidation of power.

What is Mandela's legacy?

Too soon to tell.........but what we do know is that apartheid was wrong, Mandela's ANC is openly plundering the country like a war prize, and you can't eat a vote.

I wonder what the Xhosa word for teflon is?

Weak, he doesnt even believe his own argument. He's trying to talk himself into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Mandela
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rogers park bryan wrote:
W_Z wrote:
Nas-like naysayer about Nelson:

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What's with everyone jumping on the Mandela bandwagon?

I will never understand the human need for idolatry.

How many people who mourn Mandela know he founded Umkhonto we Sizwe(Spear of the Nation), otherwise known as MK, the armed terrorist wing of the ANC? A communist/terrorist organization supported by the Soviet Union and it's proxies.

MK was responsible for the deaths of many innocents.

An argument can be made for the need for violence as a means to fight overwhelming oppression, but pretending it didn't happen and trying to erase it like an Orwellian redaction is disingenuous, or even potentially dangerous.

Mandela not only refused to renounce violence in exchange for amnesty/release, but Amnesty International refused to take on his case. Instead, his sycophantic supporters in liberal media attempt to beautify him as a saint.

Make no mistake, apartheid was wrong and thankfully is now gone. But it's very hard to effectively argue that the replacement in the form of rampant ANC corruption, national mismanagement, and quiet acceptance of minority genocide is any better.

The supposed victory in the elimination of the Apartheid system has simply exchanged one horrible system for another. Real unemployment in South Africa today, even with massive foreign aid and investment, sits at about 1 out of every 3 today in South Africa, about 4 times higher than during the heavily embargoed(and wrong) apartheid era. And violence in parts of South Africa today could be described as reaching pandemic levels. ANC response to the explosion in HIV/AIDS is frightening.

Mandela also aligned himself very closely with the likes of Fidel Castro(who felt the need to have over 300,000 Cuban soldier fight, fail, and die in their unsuccessful attempt to invade/destroy South Africa) as a proxy for the Soviet Union's effort to achieve dominance in a globally strategic portion of the world. He also aligned himself with the likes of Libya's Qaddafi. Nelson Mandela didn't exactly keep the most pleasant of company, nor distance himself from it. It is only the sycophants that attempt to rewrite or redact those highly embarrassing historical facts.

Look to South Africa's north in the story of Zimbabwe. What was sold to the west by liberal media and politicans as a battle of white versus oppressed black when underneath lurked a 3 way Cold War battle amongst a naive west, the Soviet Union, and China. China won without question in Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union and the west lost. And the naive west ignored the mass genocide of Mugabe's consolidation of power.

What is Mandela's legacy?

Too soon to tell.........but what we do know is that apartheid was wrong, Mandela's ANC is openly plundering the country like a war prize, and you can't eat a vote.

I wonder what the Xhosa word for teflon is?

Weak, he doesnt even believe his own argument. He's trying to talk himself into it.

I don't know about that.

What's weak about it? The media is deifying him while completely ignoring how he governed South Africa, the violence that he and his wife embraced and the ANC, in general. I fall on the side of "means to an end" in this case, I guess, but I don't think it's fair that the media and such make it seem like S.A. is some hyper dynamic powerhouse state because of Mandela or that he accomplished what he did by putting flowers in the barrels of guns.


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Weak, he doesnt even believe his own argument. He's trying to talk himself into it.

I don't know about that.

What's weak about it? .

The fact that he doesnt take a stand on the legacy. If the ultimate conclusion is: I dont know, then save the passion.

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SomeGuy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Weak, he doesnt even believe his own argument. He's trying to talk himself into it.

I don't know about that.

What's weak about it? .

The fact that he doesnt take a stand on the legacy. If the ultimate conclusion is: I dont know, then save the passion.

Just my take


Go "take" a walk across a busy street.


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SomeGuy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Weak, he doesnt even believe his own argument. He's trying to talk himself into it.

I don't know about that.

What's weak about it? .

The fact that he doesnt take a stand on the legacy. If the ultimate conclusion is: I dont know, then save the passion.

Just my take


Go "take" a walk across a busy street.

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