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 Post subject: Re: Construction
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:42 am 
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I don't think the city should go around razing people's homes so that the Cubs can make more money. What have the Cubs done to earn that right?

They've made the neighborhood millions of dollars?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:54 am 
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It's been a symbiotic relationship: their surroundings made money for the Cubs, too. The neighborhood did perfectly fine with the team under Tribune ownership, and they didn't seem to have to evict an entire block of residents out of their homes.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:58 am 
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The only problem is he was the only one who wanted the job, The only guy running against him is the guy who owns THE ALLEY


The job of alderman sucks. I think these guys find it out quickly after being elected but by then they are afraid to give up the power. There has to be at least 10 of them over the past few years who have walked away from the position for a quiet job with better pay and less hours. The one's who stick around are the one's who are either not smart enough to parlay it into something better or are making private money because of their public position.



Plus, a lot of them end up behind bars.

Mark Thomas is a sharp motherfucker. If he's running, you should vote for him.

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The Tribune Co also did not want to do anything more than the bare minimum to the stadium as far as upgrades goes.

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Curious Hair wrote:
It's been a symbiotic relationship: their surroundings made money for the Cubs, too. The neighborhood did perfectly fine with the team under Tribune ownership, and they didn't seem to have to evict an entire block of residents out of their homes.

You don't know what you are talking about. In the 1970's/early 80's the neighborhood was terrible. There was Latin Kings/Latin Eagles gang graffitti on buildings all around that neighborhood and it was not a great place to go for a walk at night. Then the Cubs had the great season in 1984 and it all changed. in the 1970's you could buy a 2 flat in that neighborhood for less than $40,000. The Cubs turned that neighborhood into a desireable place to live and operate businesses in. Some of those resturants/bars are of higher quality and make the Wrigleyville experience an enhanced one, to be sure. But without the ballclub, it's nothing special.

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Curious Hair wrote:
It's been a symbiotic relationship: their surroundings made money for the Cubs, too. The neighborhood did perfectly fine with the team under Tribune ownership, and they didn't seem to have to evict an entire block of residents out of their homes.

You don't know what you are talking about. In the 1970's/early 80's the neighborhood was terrible. There was Latin Kings/Latin Eagles gang graffitti on buildings all around that neighborhood and it was not a great place to go for a walk at night. Then the Cubs had the great season in 1984 and it all changed. in the 1970's you could buy a 2 flat in that neighborhood for less than $40,000. The Cubs turned that neighborhood into a desireable place to live and operate businesses in. Some of those resturants/bars are of higher quality and make the Wrigleyville experience an enhanced one, to be sure. But without the ballclub, it's nothing special.
A neighborhood changed from bad to good in 40 years? What an amazingly unique thing to happen!

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It's been a symbiotic relationship: their surroundings made money for the Cubs, too. The neighborhood did perfectly fine with the team under Tribune ownership, and they didn't seem to have to evict an entire block of residents out of their homes.

You don't know what you are talking about. In the 1970's/early 80's the neighborhood was terrible. There was Latin Kings/Latin Eagles gang graffitti on buildings all around that neighborhood and it was not a great place to go for a walk at night. Then the Cubs had the great season in 1984 and it all changed. in the 1970's you could buy a 2 flat in that neighborhood for less than $40,000. The Cubs turned that neighborhood into a desireable place to live and operate businesses in. Some of those resturants/bars are of higher quality and make the Wrigleyville experience an enhanced one, to be sure. But without the ballclub, it's nothing special.
A neighborhood changed from bad to good in 40 years? What an amazingly unique thing to happen!


What the hell are you talking about? I said it changed in the 80's dipshit. It has become better still since then. But it all began with the ballclub's tremendous success in 1984.

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How did Lincoln Park manage to change without a ballpark?

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What the hell are you talking about? I said it changed in the 80's dipshit. It has become better still since then. But it all began with the ballclub's tremendous success in 1984.
That happens to neighborhoods all the time. One season of Cubs baseball is likely just coincidental.

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I'm sure that Wrigleyville will look like Dubai after Theo's fifth championship.

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How did Lincoln Park manage to change without a ballpark?


I have heard many analysts point to the Cubs making the playoffs in 1984 as the genesis for the nation's burgeoning real estate market in the 90s.

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question is, would the neighborhood maintain if the Cubs moved.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:18 pm 
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
It's been a symbiotic relationship: their surroundings made money for the Cubs, too. The neighborhood did perfectly fine with the team under Tribune ownership, and they didn't seem to have to evict an entire block of residents out of their homes.

You don't know what you are talking about. In the 1970's/early 80's the neighborhood was terrible. There was Latin Kings/Latin Eagles gang graffitti on buildings all around that neighborhood and it was not a great place to go for a walk at night. Then the Cubs had the great season in 1984 and it all changed. in the 1970's you could buy a 2 flat in that neighborhood for less than $40,000. The Cubs turned that neighborhood into a desireable place to live and operate businesses in. Some of those resturants/bars are of higher quality and make the Wrigleyville experience an enhanced one, to be sure. But without the ballclub, it's nothing special.


The cubs are the catalyst for everything here. While Sluggers, Murphys and Cubby all stepped to clean up the area, none of them even open their doors without the Cubs here.

Took a real estate auction class with Lukas (cubby bear owner), only 8 people in the class, had a 1 hour lunch break and we started talking and I heard the guys life story, Basically him and his brother graduated from SIU and opened Sluggers for $170K. Borrowed money from family, etc and were convinced it would be a good deal because Jim Murphy, who had bought Rays bleachers, was going to clean up the area with Cops there all the time. I think my first game without the parents taking me was 1978/79 and we didnt really notice anything as it was on and off the train, but it just wasnt that crowded.

While I think the area could now live without the Cubs, there would be a major adjustment period as no way 10 CLUBS, not bars, remain open and the rent would then need to come down as the area already has more vacancy than I have seen in 20 years here.

Of course Sweet Baby Rays didnt want to give me some extra sauce and now closed! Or temporarily closed? One Sunday at 4 PM they just closed the doors and havent reopened since. No sign on the door, no nothing. Tables and chairs, still sitting outside.

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there should be a re-occuring thread every Friday called Bigfan's story of the week.

A historical story just like the one above. I'm quite serious.

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 Post subject: Re: Construction
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The Cubs made Lake View nice, ergo, it is their right to tear down the nice stuff. This is awesome. Fuck everyone who's not the Cubs.

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Took a real estate auction class with Lukas (cubby bear owner), only 8 people in the class, had a 1 hour lunch break and we started talking and I heard the guys life story, Basically him and his brother graduated from SIU and opened Sluggers for $170K. Borrowed money from family, etc and were convinced it would be a good deal because Jim Murphy, who had bought Rays bleachers, was going to clean up the area with Cops there all the time.


I never knew Sluggers was a Loukas joint. But didn't George buy Cubby Bear and The Sports Corner well before Jimmy Murphy bought Ray's? Regardless, it always looks easy in retrospect. Back in the 70s when those guys started buying up that property most people thought they were slumlords and/or fools.

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