I'm not sure if that's happening but there has been an awful lot of anti bullying stuff the past couple of years.

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I think it's a lot of bunk. They never learn to deal with stuff. It seems to do more harm than good.

I agree.

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It's all liberal crap! Know what kids need? A good beatin every once in a while. I didn't act up because if I did I'd get my ass beat. Not some "time out" or "emotional training".... buncha soft whackos we're raisin!

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I don't think 1 size fits all. It probably helps some kids and it doesn't change the way I parent.

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Hmmmm..........not sure if serious.

If you have to ask its probably not serious.

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Everybody whoa that thing just a little bit.

The "special teacher" is called a social worker and they've been in schools for......ever? That's their job. They teach kids social skills and help in times of need with specific cases.

Most schools have them work with large groups now instead of specific kids (like they did in the past). Sounds like a good thing to me, not a negative.

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Liberal crybaby.

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Hmmmmm..........not sure if serious.

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I think it's terrible.

And don't forget that everyone has an IEP, real or imagined.

Failurr and other consequences have aslo been whittled away.

RR had a great point upthread that cutting back or eliminating recess isn't just bad for physical activity, but it's also taking away the meaningful socialization that, when you think about it, is more important to American public education than the dissemination of knowledge or the fostering of intellectual curiosity. But hey, fuck kids being kids, what does that have to do with MATH AND SCIENCE? The Chinamen will devour us whole!

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Spanky I don't remember social workers/guidance counselors teaching a class once a month. The problem I see is they're teaching kids that they are "winners" no matter what. IMO that's the bullshit that sets kids up for failure. In the real world there are no 7th place trophies.

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It's scheduled for every Friday.

The best axiom I ever came across is that we're all as mundane as we are unique. Kids need to know they're special, but it's just as important that they know that the rough shit they're dealing with isn't anything that's never been dealt with by others before them, and that conversely, they're not the only ones to achieve what they're achieving. People get too carried with Old-Time Parenting (like Eddie Shore?) sometimes.

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You think what is terrible?

Social workers in general?
Teaching kids to deal with emotions?
That they work with all kids instead of a select few?

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Love the spelling error while criticizing the idea of individualized education.

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I'm not saying you should tell your kids they aren't special BUT I don't personally believe you should celebrate mediocrity. IMO that lowers expectations and takes the drive away from kids. I also don't believe "old time parenting" should be completely ignored for the "new age" approach.

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With our nation's children not getting the quality of education that other countries are offering their children despite spending more money one has to wonder if we could spend more time on math, science, and other skills rather than worrying about how children feel and deal with emotions. We're cutting Art and Music classes and Athletics and adding junk like this. Kids learn to deal socially and emotionally on the playground and on the football/baseball/basketball playing fields as well. Learning organically should be more effective than some social worker coming in once a week to talk to 35 kids at once.

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I'm sure you do even though it has nothing to do with the point being made.

You also love getting fucked in the ass and eating shit and you are a fucking idiot. But whatever.

Wow. That escalated quickly.

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That's kinda my point. This isn't being "added" in the sense you are talking about. Social workers have been around forever. They are now working with large numbers of kids (at no additional cost) instead of working with a select few.

Name all of the districts that have full time social workers that have cut athletics. I'm guessing its a very, very short list. Like zero. Social workers get cut as quickly as art and music.

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Things are tense and they just got tenser.

Hmmm. Maybe an ED IEP? I was thinking only LD, but clearly needs social work.

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Whatever one size fits all SEL program they have come up with that takes any school time every Friday to learn about feelings they may or may not understand. They are not helping the ones that need it and they are making the ones that don't sound like blithering idiots, like they just walked off the set of freaking oprah, and the rest don't pay attention. I see almost no value in it.

I appreciate what teachers and schools do for my kids. I know they are concerned for my kids. I feel like there is a line being crossed here that I don't like, they are essentially teaching values. I think that should be more based on a case by case basis and I should always be the most involved in it. I don't care for it and I resent it.

Social workers could help people deal with the guilt and angst they tend to feel when violating one of the basic rules of the road.

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No guilt. I stopped.

What do you think is most wrong with our educational system? Lack of parental involvement? Stupid things the gov wants you to do?

Shit most of the districts out here are cutting athletics, but the larger point was the Art and Music cuts that I think are simply awful. I get that the cost of the social workers are static from past but we're taking time away from other things like the sciences, math... you name it. The cost of this kind of interaction is not monetary but the loss of the valuable time to be doing much more effective instruction. I have doubts about the value of this program and I would say with confidence it is much less valuable than art, music, and sciences.

Spanky, why is the United States failing to properly educate our children in your perspective? We're simply not keeping up with international standards by just about any metric, correct? Yet we spend more than almost everyone? What is happening?

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How do they make them better at math and science? I thought failure builds character?

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