No shit.
But they can only put somebody in the game that's on the roster (unless the NFL changed the rules). Peyton Manning's not walking through that door! Larry Bird isn't walking through that door!

Lovie has three choices. Grossman, Griese, Orton. The fact that he has stuck with Grossman, even with his erratic play, tells me that he is the best (by far) of the three. I don't think it's a reach to say that Lovie wants to win and will go with the best player at each position in order to do so. He sees these guys every day.

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I hear what you're saying but I'm a little confused. You seem to be placing too much emphasis on Rex's performance in the Super Bowl. Granted, it wasn't spectacular, but he's had worse games that they've won and better games that they've lost. The point is that Rex doesn't really determine the direction of this team and that's something you don't seem to understand.

I gues I dont understand it Mike cuz my contention is the opposite. The QB completely determines the direction of the team in my opinion. I agree that he has had worse games they won and better that they lost, my big issue with him is consistency. You have even echoed my thoughts actually, which is that Rex needs to stop swinging for the fences when all he needs is a base hit. When he can drop that mentality and mature into a check down QB that doesnt cause 25+ turnovers a year, you could see a Super Bowl Championship as a result. That is if he can do that in the next 2 years while the O Line is still in tact and the D is still young enough to be in their relative prime

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If he plays like he did tonight all year, the Bears will be in good shape. He just needs to limit the mistakes. That Pick 6 to Walt Harris CAN'T happen, because he's going to have days when he's not as effective as he was today.

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"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

In a preseason game against a team that never showed up , with a botched snap( AGAIN) and a pic. But report only half of the performance if it makes you feel better. Anyone who actually watched the game could tell the 49ers never even showed up for the game. saying they mailed it in would actually be giving them too much credit.

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I actually agree with this 100%. The only difference between us is I dont think he will limit the turnovers while producing effieciently, and you and Nas do.

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The 49ers "not showing up" has a lot to do with Grossman taking the air out of their sails early by connecting with Berrian. Also, the Defense looked DOMINANT tonight. The San Fran first unit has played well so far this preseason and they're a team that's received a lot of preseason love from the talking heads. I'm happy with the way the Bears stuck it up their ass.

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I'm not gonna argue individual play. I think Rex has the ability to be a much better quarterback and has repeatedly made essentially dumb mistakes. But I think everyone's made the same points here...and that's that this team has a Super Bowl defense, a Super Bowl offensive line, Super Bowl special teams and presumably very good receivers, tight ends and running backs. As far as quarterback goes for this team, Rex fills the role best based on who's available on the Bear's roster. The Bears didn't lose the Super Bowl because of Rex Grossman and would've lost it with Griese or Ortman because the defense sucked...if Tommie Harris and Mike Brown played the game may have turned out differently. Everyone, you included Favre, knows this teams wins with their defense....Grossman played well tonight, give him a break. If you're looking for someone to beat on try Cedric Benson. But hurry up cause he'll take himself out of the game after you hit em a couple times cause he's a huge pussy

Notice how I never brought his name up in NFL QBs that would fare better with this team. Favre would not. You are right, they are gunslingers. Grossman has potential to be a great gunslinger like Favre, but they dont need one. They need a guy to play smart football and not turn the ball over and kill the team.

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I understand that there's a chance that he will be a Turnoversaurus this season. But there's also a chance that he can be pretty damn good. Forgive me if I'm an optimist.

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"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

Again we agree, I dont blame you for being an optimist. I just am not an optimist when it comes to Rex, only because I dont think he will change much from last year. Nas can point to evidence he will, I can point to evidence he wont. Either way we will have to wait a few months to see whos right.

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Bullshit. It's 2:00 in the morning. I didn't stay up this late to come to some sort of half-ass agreement. We're resolving this tonight!

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"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

Exactly my thoughts....we will decide Rex's season tonight!

I dont always like the conservative approach, thus the name FavreFan, but with the Bears team I prefer it because I just dont think they need a gunslinger. They dont need a QB to throw for 4000 yds and 30 TDs. Just one that throws less than 16 pics and can handle a snap.

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I'm thinking 31 TDs, 18 picks. 3800 yards. He'll have to throw more this year.
What makes me nervous is that his biggest test will come in week 1.

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"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

If your first sentence is correct, then your second will be also, We can at least agree on that.

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Yet another thing we agree on completely. (Great post, excellent point?)

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OK settled. Good night, gents.

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Morning everyone! Did anyone watch the game last night?

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I didnt catch it, what happened?

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My thoughts from the game. Rex Grossman had a very good game. The interception returned for a TD was bad but it happens to all QB's from time to time. When you put up the points the Bears were putting up, missing the center/QB exchange doesn't really matter. Rex seemed focused and came out like a starting NFL QB should. He is physically much better than Brian Griese.

What I hated about the second preseason game was the fact that when things started to go bad, they continued to go bad. This is not something that should happen to a QB in his 5th year in the league and with a good amount of games under his belt. The same thing happened last year. In this last game, things didn't always go smoothly but he was able to make 2 good plays to counteract a bad play.

I guess I am a Bears fan this week because I thought Rex played really well.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I read this whole stinking thread to get an idea of the board's feelings about this game. This is a fantastic summary, IMO.

I only wish to add this: Rex isn't our Quarterback. Oh, and the second team O-line is disturbingly bad; the Bears are very shallow there, and I'm placing O-line-injury right behind the fact that Rex sucks ass on my list of concerns heading into the season.

To the Rex supporters, I once again ask: what makes you believe this guy will suddenly turn it around and not panic under pressure?

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Unless he fumbles alot, he will not cost the Bears games. Rex will

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They played the 49ers for christs sake, difficult not to look good against them. I have no faith in Grossman, aside from his physical shortcomings, my gut is just telling me this kid isn't the answer. Hes a short QB who doesn't move around all that well and still doesn't show the ability to sense when a 300lbs linemen is close. He doesn't have the luxury of sitting in the pocket when linemen are making their push and shutting down lanes.

A guy like Rex simply has to be more maneuverable, a play maker, but he isn't, and its very rarely something you can teach, with or without good speed. Not to mention hes gonna be 27 soon, to me he looks like a kid in his second year still getting a feel for playing at this level, and being injured isn't an excuse. He just looks scared, and you can literally feel that while watching at home like a dog can smell fear.

I think last year was a perfect storm scenario, things came together just enough for us to succeed. We suprised a lot of teams with our new(er) offense, we had great individual performances that you just cant expect to see again and that combined with a fairly easy schedule got us to the SB.

Overall I think our defense is horribly overrated and I cant stand the D we run. In that regard, any team with a good QB-WR combo has the ability to make the Bears look downright silly. In terms of offense, I think the honeymoon with teams not knowing about the Bears is over.

The game against the Colts showed me more than this last game.

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Personally, I'm of the opinion that not too many RBs are difference-makers, and Jones certainly wasn't among that group. Therefore, I think anyone put in that position on the Bears will have at least moderate success, and in Benson's case, I've seen play from him in the past that leads me to believe he could be well above average, and possibly even among the difference-maker class.


His receiving corps is better (both through addition and experience). Other than that, he looks just like he did at the start of the season last year. And just like last year, he folds up under pressure. Just like last year, that will be the game-plan against the Bears: fluster Grossman. And just like last year, it will work, and will fuck the Bears in the ass in key games; like, the Superbowl for example.

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Nas, did you temporarily steal my body this afternoon? I picked Rex as my QB in the draft.

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Some of your points are well taken, but those two words dont belong in the same sentence



LOL no it was not. It was a preseason game

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I dont know where you read that but that sure isnt true. Theres no way Lovie was sticking with Rex throughout all last year and this preseason, then one meaningless preseason game would change his mind and make Griese the starter. Rex could been 0-12 with 3 INTs in the game and he would still start week 1 @ SD

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