My points are quite clear:

No matter what your personal position is on abortion, that will one day be reversed. It's horrible law. And a number elite lawyers agree with that statement.

And there have have been a number of "settled law" cases of the Supreme Court that have been reversed.

Your bringing Brown V Board of Ed into this is a red herring. But you knew that when you did it.

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That's all Seacrest ever does.

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Regardless of one's position on the issue, one must recognize that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, abortions will not stop happening. Safe abortions performed by trained, medical professionals, will cease in lieu of back alley, coat hanger abortions.

See: Prohibition of alcohol, and the war on drugs.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Abortions were being done without coat hangers LONG before Roe v Wade.

And more women die from legal abortions each year then ever died from the back alley ones. Red herrings were on a number of holiday menus this year.

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Nobody disputed that.



Claiming that you know not only how many of these procedures were done, but how many died as a result of these procedures, is by far the biggest red herring in this thread. I'm sure the people performing these horrible procedures, keep meticulous records.

It would be like me claiming to know how many drug deals went down in a certain time/place.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Well depending on the time, location, and what was being dealt, you could probably be pretty accurate

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Drug deals and their causes are not records kept by coroners.

How young women die is, and has been recorded by coroners for years though.

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http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/u ... tatistics/

-In 2008, 12 women died as a result of complications from known legal induced abortion (CDC).

-The number of deaths attributable to legal induced abortion was highest before the 1980s (CDC).

-In 1972 (the year before abortion was federally legalized), a total of 24 women died from causes known to be associated with legal abortions, and 39 died as a result of known illegal abortions (CDC).

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

12?

More women probably die from electrocuting themselves by putting the hair dryer on the edge of the sink while they put their makeup on.

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"on the other hand, is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the world's largest abortion provider. While their data is helpful, they are a much less neutral source. "

From your own source.

And your source also admits to not having data from at least six states. One state being the largest in the union.

Do you have any thoughts on Chus on the legal nature of Roe v Wade?

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meanwhile, the seacrest source cannot be disputed, ever.

I don't need data to know that the goddamn Catholics ought to get off the Vagina Patrol already.

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Vagina patrol? Sounds like a good band name.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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What's the endgame Crest? Making it illegal wont stop it. Maybe push for a stricter set of guidelines...

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Hank.

The end game is the same for all of us.

When we restrict the rights of any class of people, we erode our own. I'm not sure where it ends.

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Doesn't that cover most Rock bands?

Except for scissor sisters,Hall & Oates,etc.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

the endgame is the second coming, obviously.

As soon as the government releases me from paying for your birth control, I'll be off it. Just like I was before they mandated that i be on it.

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Must only be obvious to you Z.

Please share your knowledge with those of us who don't live in Wheaton.

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The government pays for my birth control?

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my knowledge means nothing, nor does any human being's, compared to "thy lord above". that's supposed to be your dogma, seacrest. we just keep circling the wagons until the 4 horsemen ride out.

It mandates that taxpayers and employers do.

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Spoken like someone that chooses to live in Wheaton to someone that chose not to.

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mhm. just remember 1st Peter 5:7 whenever you get down, Seacrest.

You brought up God here, I did not. And CH brought up Catholics.

An atheist can just as easily see the legal problems with the reasoning behind Roe v Wade.

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Oh you mean "my" as in "my society's" and not like my personal prescription for an IUD, which I wouldn't be able to properly use and would instead have to use as a pogo stick for action figures.

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Exactly.

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Is that post not clear enough leash?

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No, it's not. You need to explain why you think it's a horrible law. That's how this place works.

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One problem with Roe v Wade is the amorphous and constantly moving-toward-conception quickening/viability standard. Appointing the fetus an attorney/advocate might be the most Constitutionally kosher way of dealing with abortion in the USA.