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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more


Thanks, Scorehead.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more


Thanks, Scorehead.

Where did you hear this?

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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leashyourkids wrote:
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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more


Thanks, Scorehead.

Where did you hear this?

Listen buddy I live out of the area and listen to the score all damn day. Do not question me!

I thought you were asking for opinion, I gave mine. I "think" he would have gotten more. But I have no proof of that. Unfortunately I do not have a friend who is a janitor for the Redskins and gives me inside info.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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I'm not sure because NFL contacts are crazy hard to judge

I'll say this...there's not much room ABOVE what he got right?


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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more


Thanks, Scorehead.

Where did you hear this?

Listen buddy I live out of the area and listen to the score all damn day. Do not question me!

I thought you were asking for opinion, I gave mine. I "think" he would have gotten more. But I have no proof of that. Unfortunately I do not have a friend who is a janitor for the Redskins and gives me inside info.


At least he didn't smash his keyboard and accuse you of being a racist.


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RFDC wrote:
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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more


Thanks, Scorehead.

Where did you hear this?

Listen buddy I live out of the area and listen to the score all damn day. Do not question me!

I thought you were asking for opinion, I gave mine. I "think" he would have gotten more. But I have no proof of that. Unfortunately I do not have a friend who is a janitor for the Redskins and gives me inside info.


I was just curious.

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I don't think cutty gets anywhere near this deal on the open market .

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more
So he'd get paid more than future hall of fame quarterbacks?

There is a reason he jumped at this deal. It's because the Bears gave him more than he probably even expected. Even on his radio show, he supposedly talked about how you may have to take a little bit less to stay. We are talking Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers money if he did that.

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The money isn't even the worst part. The fact that they are locked in on him with no flexibility for at least 3 years, and probably 4 or 5 is the biggest problem.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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I think it is reasonable to think someone would have given him the same as Ryan.

That is not saying I think he is as good as those other guys, but teams do dumb things on the open market to get guys they want.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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The contract would have had to be over 22% more to be higher than Rodgers.

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This is turrible. I was hoping he'd go somewhere else and have huge success.


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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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This is turrible. I was hoping he'd go somewhere else and have huge success.

Don't worry about it, you aren't a fan anymore, remember?

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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I'm glad that I don't care. They are going to be like the cowboys or ravens for a while.

I really can't believe they signed him, but it's the bears so I guess I can.


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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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I'm glad that I don't care. They are going to be like the cowboys or ravens for a while.

I really can't believe they signed him, but it's the bears so I guess I can.

You realize the Ravens just won the superbowl

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Do you think he would have gotten this type of deal on the free market?

He would have gotten more
So he'd get paid more than future hall of fame quarterbacks?

There is a reason he jumped at this deal. It's because the Bears gave him more than he probably even expected. Even on his radio show, he supposedly talked about how you may have to take a little bit less to stay. We are talking Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers money if he did that.


I think the money is a function of the increased centrality of the QB position, such that money isn't necessarily a reflection of the QB's worth, but more so of the position itself, which drives up everyone's prices irrespective of how they measure out statistically. For example if you develop a QB into a guy who isn't a stud, but is just good enough to contend with, you're probably going to pay him the going (inflated) rate to keep him around. You're going to pay him record high numbers if he's elite.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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You realize the Ravens just won the superbowl


True but they had a good d, and I don't see them winning anything in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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You realize the Ravens just won the superbowl


Please cite your sources.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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It's funny how "experts" like Mike Florio confidently stated that if Cutler and his agent were going to ask for the franchise tag salary (~16m) as a starting point, it was going to be a very short conversation. Based on where the final contract ended up, Bus Cook must have started at 20m+.

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To clarify: based on the above speculation, the idea is that you backload the contract for big dollars. If you win Superbowls, you have the option of keeping him in year 6 and 7. The base salary in the first five years starts very low, and grows over time, with the bonus money prorated over 5 years so as to minimize the cap damage in any given year.

If it's indeed structured this way, it's great in year 1, because it's only a $12M cap hit. The downside would be that you're basically married to him until year 5, which is sort of the situation we find ourselves in with Peppers right now, where we can cut him, but a big portion of the cap hit will remain based on his prorated bonus money.

I think it's a good bet that this is pretty close to the actual contract structure.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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If the cap hit is really significantly less than the franchise tag but for for 3 years...then this is a great deal in my opinion


I wouldn't say "great" but it is better. I still would have preferred a cap hit less than $10M for year 1 but I can live with $12M.

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The money isn't even the worst part. The fact that they are locked in on him with no flexibility for at least 3 years

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This is a good thing. They are "locked in" to a starting QB for the next 3 years. I've waited my whole life for the Bears to do this, and I'm old.

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I think it's too much no matter how you look at it.


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To clarify: based on the above speculation, the idea is that you backload the contract for big dollars. If you win Superbowls, you have the option of keeping him in year 6 and 7. The base salary in the first five years starts very low, and grows over time, with the bonus money prorated over 5 years so as to minimize the cap damage in any given year.

If it's indeed structured this way, it's great in year 1, because it's only a $12M cap hit. The downside would be that you're basically married to him until year 5, which is sort of the situation we find ourselves in with Peppers right now, where we can cut him, but a big portion of the cap hit will remain based on his prorated bonus money.

I think it's a good bet that this is pretty close to the actual contract structure.


So this is a 3 year deal. If he sucks they drop him before year 4. I can live with this. They could still draft a QB this year.

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The money isn't even the worst part. The fact that they are locked in on him with no flexibility for at least 3 years

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This is a good thing. They are "locked in" to a starting QB for the next 3 years. I've waited my whole life for the Bears to do this, and I'm old.


Realistically they could cut him after 2 years depending on the language of the guarantees.

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To clarify: based on the above speculation, the idea is that you backload the contract for big dollars. If you win Superbowls, you have the option of keeping him in year 6 and 7. The base salary in the first five years starts very low, and grows over time, with the bonus money prorated over 5 years so as to minimize the cap damage in any given year.

If it's indeed structured this way, it's great in year 1, because it's only a $12M cap hit. The downside would be that you're basically married to him until year 5, which is sort of the situation we find ourselves in with Peppers right now, where we can cut him, but a big portion of the cap hit will remain based on his prorated bonus money.

I think it's a good bet that this is pretty close to the actual contract structure.


So this is a 3 year deal. If he sucks they drop him before year 4. I can live with this. They could still draft a QB this year.


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I think it's too much no matter how you look at it.

This is what the big hang up is for most people, really.

The starting QB is always going to be the highest paid player, aside from the miracle young draft picks like Wilson. Teams are gonna blow stupid money on a variety of people every single year. I'm ok if it's on the QB.

Is the $ they've paid Peppers the last few years "good money" or was it "too much"? The answer is obvious. Cedric Benson - money well spent? I could go on and on.

I'd rather spend the crazy money on a QB all day every day.

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