Tier 1

Both harbaughs
belichick
payton

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That is not fair to Belichick. His accomplishments and record goes well above the rest of those guys.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Belichek is probably on a tier by himself but the AFC East has been a shit show for the better part of a decade. Being able to pencil in at minimum 4-2 every year is nice.

Forgot about Payton. I think he's better than Lovie, but not on Belicheks level...yet. Maybe Lovie is on tier 3, underneath a guy like Payton. Jim has done great things, but to rank him against others is kind of unfair to everyone since he's still relatively new. It would be like ranking Lovie after the Super Bowl year, which was his third year. Need more data probably.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

multiple superbowl trophies trumps this

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I will say I'm a believer in an asterisk next to NE accomplishments. Don't know if that contradicts my belief in Belichek's superiority.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Belichick is definitely the best coach in the nfl and perhaps all time. i see the harbaughs winning multiple ribgs tho going forward .

i don't think tom Coughlin is a great coach, he's decent...he has 2 rings.

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if you're going to talk about him so highly you could at least spell his name right.

Whatever tier you have tomlin and McCarthy - lovie is below them.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I would say he had 3 losing seasons in 9 years and 1 was his first season.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

This team wasn't and still isn't rebuilding. They brought back the 3rd ranked defense and added offensive talent. The entire offensive line was new with the exception of Garza.

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GO BEARS!!!

Well they've won rings so I guess I can't argue with you there. I wouldn't say they are head and shoulders above him, but they've won what he hasnt on the other hand.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

The Bears need major rebuilding.

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Yes, major rebuilding of the defense.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Has anybody released what Lovie is making with this contract? He was up to $6 million/per in his final seasons with the Bears, wasn't he? Or was it $5MM?

Does Spiegel's browser have it?

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You know me like that.

Lovie $5 M for 4 seasons with an option for 5th.

To even start talking about Lovie in same breath as guys like Harbaughs, Bellicheks, is such a joke. Lovie is a defensive coach who is put in charge of a team. You better believe it is easier to coach defense than offense!

Lovie as a HC had offenses that failed for 8.5 years. Remember that 1 first half of a season Grossman was great!

Lovies defense combined with this bears offense is a GREAT Mix. I am not a fan of his cover 2, sit back, let the other team fuck up, but when you put pressure with the #2 scoring offense it works.

It why Lovie became famous. His guys laid back and waited playing CF, while the offense with Warner Scored at will.

You know the other team is going to have to throw!

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

A-Rod & Bonds are bastards for "cheating", but Belichick is the best in the business.

I'm a believer in Belichik*.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I'm sure you know his system is not as simple as playing center field and waiting for errant passes. This ignores the MLB strategically placing himself in areas to take away intermediate to deep throws down the middle, the emphasis on gang tackling to create TOs (something no other coach did better than Lovie per the numbers), and keeping the play in front of the entire D as a matter of principle.

No one said Lovie is on the same level as Belichik. Thus far in his career Harbaugh has matched Lovies bowl appearances and wins.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Apology accepted


@RapSheet: Leslie Frazier tells me he's committed to joining the #Bucs staff as their DC. Few issues to work out in the morning. But he's headed there

@RapSheet: Told earlier Cowboys wouldn't let Rod Marinelli out of his contract. Thus, Frazier is DC choice in Tampa (as he 1st told @JosinaAnderson)

I thought it was over $5M a year. How does he win that division?

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GO BEARS!!!

Lovie gets to be the GM without having to do all the clerical stuff. Awesome deal for a coach. Not sure why anyone would want to be the General Manager in this scenario though.

Lovie Smith's contract contains a clause that gives him final say over all personnel matters on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' 53-man roster, according to league sources.

That control is something Smith did not officially have in Chicago when he was the Bears' head coach.

Smith will be formally introduced as the Buccaneers' coach Monday.

As for hiring a general manager, many around the league believe Smith ultimately will hire Kansas City's director of pro personnel Chris Ballard, whom he worked with in Chicago.

Leslie Frazier will be the next defensive coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the former Minnesota Vikings coach told ESPN's Josina Anderson. Former California head coach Jeff Tedford will be the Buccaneers' offensive coordinator.

The Buccaneers fired coach Greg Schiano and general manager Mark Dominik last week after finishing 4-12.

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Unbelievably stupid move by Tampa Bay. They'll learn hard the hard way on this one.

And it's also good to know that Chicago isn't the only one who operates like this.

I think he wanted this control based on what happened in Chicago. He still won't make the draft picks though.

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GO BEARS!!!

I'm not sure what happened with Lovie in Chicago. It was obvious he had his hand in personnel decisions. Then they sucked and Angelo wouldn't go along with him anymore?

Angelo made roster decisions. There were times he cut players that Lovie wanted. I know Angelo made the draft picks. Lovie had input in all of it but Angelo was the decider.

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GO BEARS!!!

Final say over all personal matter would include the draft.

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