He had his best season as a Bear this year. That actually happened. And I didn't say any of that when I mentioned that the Bears wanted him.

Cutler isn't in Romo's class. Based on production he isn't better than Matt Schaub over the past 5 seasons.

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We can only dream of Cutler having a season like Romo did last year, and people were on him about that saying it wasn't good enough.

Romo, like Ryan, is put down because of a lack of playoff success. Well, Cutler doesn't even beat them there.

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Tag still would have cost more over the 3 years, and he probably would hold out. I've changed though too. I wanted them to tag Jay and take a QB high. With how bad the defense is, I'm happy they locked him in and can use the high picks on the defense. They can still take a QB later. And if all the McCown lovers think Marc can coach up anyone, it should work out long term.[/quote]

If Trestman can truly coach up anyone, that makes this a horrible decision.

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I don't think that's actually true, fwiw. If Trestman thought it was true, they wouldn't have signed Cutler. I still think they will take a QB late, and if it doesn't work out, they will draft another next year and maybe even the next year. Could also find a young QB cast off to try to rebuild.

First of all, he missed a lot of games.

Beyond that, you know who else had his best season last year? Josh McCown. Is that a coincidence or does it have something to do with the offense that was run? Why is it Cutler gets credit for "his best season", but McCown is simply a product of an offense?

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McCown gets a lot of credit.

Not really. No one thinks he can maintain a 100+ rating. If they did, the Bears would have signed him for at lot less than they just paid that goof.

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Even as an avowed Cutler hater I have trouble believing its raging on this long. For the week in review I'm just going to link this thread and be done .

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Shocking. Reacting positively to a move by the Bears even when you thought it was stupid a day ago.

Let me guess, you think the iPhone 7 is great too!

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I'm beginning to think you're literally retarded. If you franchise Cutler for one year, there's no obligation to do it again for two more. Saying this is cheaper is idiotic; inexplicably so unless you have some kind of disability that prevents normal reasoning.

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This is getting out of hand

Even saying over 3 years it turns out to be a market deal is an issue. Why are people commending the Bears for paying market rate? They had a market inefficiency staring them right in the face. Franchise Cutler and then draft and develop a QB in the most loaded draft in recent history. Emery put the tools in place with Trestman and Cavanaugh to help pick and develop the QB.

Hey, it's 2006 and I bought a 2 bedroom ranch in Wheeling for only $250,000! I deserve kudos since I only paid market rate!!!

And that Aaron Rodgers was a great draft pick!

Hindsight is always 20-20

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Thanks. But the point is, they wanted him for 3 years. There plan is to have him as the QB for the next 3 years. Using the tag would then cost them $8MM more than what they spent ($54MM). And it might not work, since he could hold out.

That's it right there. And they succumbed to it. They had to look at Cutler as their only viable option. That may even have been the case, though I doubt it. But even if we grant that, there was no reason to pay him the way they did.

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When is the last time a quarterback missed an NFL game due to a holdout?

Also, doesn't this deal have cap considerations for the length of the deal regardless if they cut him after year 3? So, whatever savings they had was simply giving the Bears more money rather than fielding the most competitive team.

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Bears were in a hard spot. So they paid him a couple mil per year more than playing hardball and maybe losing him. BFD.

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Literally zero, as I understand it. He is on a game by game contract at that point. They can cut him at any time after the 3rd year because there aren't any bonuses, etc. His cap number is his salary.

They couldn't lose him. They had control. Maybe they paid him a couple mil more to stop him from pouting like a little Caller Bob. I'm betting it won't work.

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So why not just do a 3 year deal? Isn't the whole point of these longer deals to get cap relief?

That just doesn't add up. If what you describe is true, the Bears basically franchised Cutler for 3 years yesterday and gave up any chance to move on over those three years to save about $2.5 million a year. That's pretty horrible since even Emery talked about how much the franchise tag hurts your team to use.

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They don't want to move on. They want Cutler. And they can still trade him.

Then they're stupid.

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Ok. Maybe we should agree to disagree on that part.

That's fine. But I have a reasonable basis for my thought. I simply don't expect him to do something he has never done. He's not a second year player. He's been in the league a long time. Believing that he is going to take a leap forward in terms of performance is pure whimsy based on nothing but hopes and wishes.

If the Bears thought they needed a legitimate starting quarterback for next season and he was the only one they could reasonably get, I understand using the franchise tag. I just don't see making a commitment to this guy.

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I do wonder if Cutler used the nuclear threat of holdout right off the bat and scared Emery/Phillips. At the very least, it seems they were concerned Jay would pout if franchised. I think this contract is more about that (and lack of decent FA) than it is about the Bears "wanting" Cutler for 3+ years.

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They want him today. It's harder to say what they will want in a year or two.

I still find it incredibly hard to believe there is no cap hit in year 4 if they cut him. That just isn't how NFL contracts seem to work.

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He took a leap this year, though.

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