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Compare whatever you'd like. You didn't mention career stats, you brought up Cutler's stats from this year and said they sucked. Statistical analysis in football isn't an absolute indicator of good and bad or more importantly winning and losing. Tom Brady had 18/12 TD/INT ratio, won a super bowl and went to the pro bowl. The first 7 years of his career he never had more than 28 TDs, never had better than a 2/1 td/int ratio, only threw for 4,000 yards once, had a qb rating of greater than 87.9 only twice yet he was considered a top five qb.

The real issue with Cutler at this point in his career is injuries. If he can stay healthy, then the Bears can win with him.


You are right, I brought up his 19/12 ratio for this season initially. You then chose to compare those stats to Ryan and Stafford's stats for this past seasom, when each had poor seasons. I brought up the career numbers to show that each has superior seasons to those Jay has ever had. I'll take a Brett favre -like career that includes a 20/29 Td/INT ratio in one season, if it also has season where it's 33/7, 36/16, 39/13, 38/13 and 33/14 and 9 seasons of 30 or more TD's. Jay doesn't have exceptional seasons great/awful. He has varrying degrees of mediocrity.


I know.

My point is that Phil Emery isn't trying to win his fantasy league. TD/INT ratio doesn't win the super bowl. But he's betting a healthy Jay Cutler gives the Bears the best opportunity to win a super bowl over the next three years; and that would justify this contract.


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Wouldn't it be better to be able to find a Russell Wilson every few years and plug him into a great system and be able to spend the massive QB money elsewhere?

Yes. The Bears should do this every few years. Just like all of the teams in the past have been succesful doing. :lol:

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Any examples of average QB's becoming great after 8 years?

Josh McCown.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Spiegel just reported that the cap hits are -

Year 1 - $11MM
Year 2 - $15MM
Year 3 - $16MM

Not everyone is able to be here today, so on behalf of Dr. Ken, RFDC, Myself, Robert Chief, Bucky Chris, the Redskin's parking attendant, Bus Cooke and Kristin Cavalleri -

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Spiegel just reported that the cap hits are -

Year 1 - $11MM
Year 2 - $15MM
Year 3 - $16MM

Not everyone is able to be here today, so on behalf of Dr. Ken, RFDC, Myself, Robert Chief, Bucky Chris, the Redskin's parking attendant, Bus Cooke and Kristin Cavalleri -

I am accepting this award for victory in this thread.



We'd like to thank all our moms and the Lord JC.
For those numbers to work though this has to be a 5 year cap hit which changes a lot.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Spiegel just reported that the cap hits are -

Year 1 - $11MM
Year 2 - $15MM
Year 3 - $16MM

Not everyone is able to be here today, so on behalf of Dr. Ken, RFDC, Myself, Robert Chief, Bucky Chris, the Redskin's parking attendant, Bus Cooke and Kristin Cavalleri -

I am accepting this award for victory in this thread.



We'd like to thank all our moms and the Lord JC.
For those numbers to work though this has to be a 5 year cap hit which changes a lot.

We accept your concession.

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@MattSpiegel670 If your source is correct, I predicted to the penny the contract structure. Posted it on a forum. Coincidence?

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Spanky, you realize Spiegel likely got those numbers from Reddit, right?


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Spanky, you realize Spiegel likely got those numbers from Reddit, right?

HAVE YOU SEEN SOME THE SOURCES PEOPLE USE ON THIS BOARD??!?!?

:D :wink: :lol:

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spanky wrote:
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Spanky, you realize Spiegel likely got those numbers from Reddit, right?

HAVE YOU SEEN SOME THE SOURCES PEOPLE USE ON THIS BOARD??!?!?

:D :wink: :lol:

Im just saying. It seemed like you were taking it as gospel as if Speigel got it straight from the NFL or whoever the hell actually knows


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rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Spanky, you realize Spiegel likely got those numbers from Reddit, right?

HAVE YOU SEEN SOME THE SOURCES PEOPLE USE ON THIS BOARD??!?!?

:D :wink: :lol:

Im just saying. It seemed like you were taking it as gospel as if Speigel got it straight from the NFL or whoever the hell actually knows

I assumed that since I was accepting on behalf of robert chief and Chris' buddy the lot attendant that maybe I wasn't 100% serious.


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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Uh oh...

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@MattSpiegel670 If your source is correct, I predicted to the penny the contract structure. Posted it on a forum. Coincidence?


:lol: :lol:

That Nick guy can predict. #TonysDeli

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http://www.businessinsider.com/jay-cutl ... cap-2014-1

"Cutler's deal does not have a signing bonus, so his $22.5 million salary will also be his salary cap hit."

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
MattInTheCrown wrote:
Uh oh...

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@MattSpiegel670 If your source is correct, I predicted to the penny the contract structure. Posted it on a forum. Coincidence?


:lol: :lol:

That Nick guy can predict. #TonysDeli



Let us know if Spiegel responds to him.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jay-cutler-bears-nfl-salary-cap-2014-1

"Cutler's deal does not have a signing bonus, so his $22.5 million salary will also be his salary cap hit."


:shock:

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
MattInTheCrown wrote:
Uh oh...

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Nick Gerdes (@nick_gerdes)
@MattSpiegel670 If your source is correct, I predicted to the penny the contract structure. Posted it on a forum. Coincidence?


:lol: :lol:

That Nick guy can predict. #TonysDeli

Let us know if Spiegel responds to him.

Oh, he did:
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@nick_gerdes Maybe. Give me the link to that if you would.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Maybe it's a coincidence that the guy predicted every exact amount for all 5 years in every category? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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On March 11,will the Bears watch from the sidelines when Free agency starts??

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2013 ... -10-draft/

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Idk, but I forgot about the weird push back of the draft this year.

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Some interesting FA's are out there:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1905 ... the-market

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Maybe it's a coincidence that the guy predicted every exact amount for all 5 years in every category? :lol:



Spiegel taking without attribution?

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spanky wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
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Spanky, you realize Spiegel likely got those numbers from Reddit, right?

HAVE YOU SEEN SOME THE SOURCES PEOPLE USE ON THIS BOARD??!?!?

:D :wink: :lol:

Im just saying. It seemed like you were taking it as gospel as if Speigel got it straight from the NFL or whoever the hell actually knows

I assumed that since I was accepting on behalf of robert chief and Chris' buddy the lot attendant that maybe I wasn't 100% serious.

You have to make assumptions about your own thoughts?

Seems like you'd know for sure what you meant.


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Another poster on reddit assuaging my fears a bit: http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1ubp3o/why_did_emery_commit_30_million_of_cap_space_in/
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Everyone knows the Bears had a lot of cap space going into the offseason. But they also have a lot of holes and likely need to fork over some cash in free agency to be competitive next year. So when Emery decided to front load these to contracts to the tune of $30 million it raised a few eyebrows. But I think Emery knows what he is doing.

For one, the Bears signed 2 big free agents last year, Bushrod and Bennett, for the tune of 9 years and $55 million. But they only counted a total of $5 million against the cap this year. So the Emery could do the same thing this year and backload contracts on another pair of impact free agents.

But why frontload the resignings only to backload the free agents? For one it gives you flexibility in free agency. If you can't land a free agent you wanted, you are not stuck with money to burn. Instead you are set up better for next year.

Two maybe looking long term, Emery didn't like the salary cap forecast after backloading two deals last year. Maybe he is lessening the pressure of that by frontloading these deals.

Three, maybe it is a negotiating tactic for lower level free agents. Chicago is an attractive place for lots of free agents. By having huge amounts of cap room, maybe players are inclined to hold out for more. I could see veteran players accepting deals like Williams, Slauson, and Anderson did last year because they think Chicago is the best place for them to succeed, and if they can only afford a minimum contract so be it.
Any other ideas?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Maybe it's a coincidence that the guy predicted every exact amount for all 5 years in every category? :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I knew Meatpants was going to get called out for this. Hilarious. Meatpants source is some guy who reads Reddit.


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I think if Emery could get DRose to talk to some free agents,we would be OK.

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Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 2h
SOURCE: The official salary cap hits for Cutler are as follows: ’14: 11.8 mil, ’15: 15.3, ’16: 16.8, ’17: 18.3, ’18: 18.8, ’19: 22, ’20: 23.


Nick Gerdes ‏@nick_gerdes 2h
@MattSpiegel670 If your source is correct, I predicted to the penny the contract structure. Posted it on a forum. Coincidence?


Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 2h
@nick_gerdes Maybe. Give me the link to that if you would.


@MattSpiegel670 Let me know... because if it turns out I was right, down to the penny, it will be wonderful bragging rights...
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@nick_gerdes I will let you know when I can discuss.


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I will let you know when I can discuss.

What's to discuss? I wouldn't wait around on that one.

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I will let you know when I can discuss.

What's to discuss? I wouldn't wait around on that one.


When he can find it somewhere else on the internet so it doesnt look like he stole it from some shlub on Reddit.

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I just tweeted about it. Maybe Speegs will respond


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I will let you know when I can discuss.

What's to discuss? I wouldn't wait around on that one.

Why did the kid back off?

I hate that shit. He was all ready to go on the muscle and then was thrown by the celebrity of Matt spiegel :pukel:


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