Ya know who had simlar talent?

Jeff George

Crazy isn't it.

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Houston doesnt have a history of Bad QB's clouding their judgment

What is the basis for that statement? What metrics are we looking at, and in what context?

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RPB QB Power Rating Index. Very well-researched and reputable so you need to back off.

Ah ....

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Back off.

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I missed the former part of the acronym

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Real deal: Bears in for three years, $54M on Jay Cutler
Tom Pelissero, USA TODAY Sports 2:20 p.m. EST January 6, 2014
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Most long-term NFL contracts amount to three-year projections. In the case of quarterback Jay Cutler's new deal with the Chicago Bears, that's especially true.

According to contract details obtained Monday by USA TODAY Sports, Cutler didn't receive a signing bonus on the seven-year, $126.7 million contract he signed last week, instead getting guaranteed base salaries of $22.5 million in 2014, $15.5 million in 2015 and $16 million in 2016.

That essentially makes it a three-year, $54 million contract, with rolling club options each year from there and no salary cap repercussions if the Bears release Cutler anytime after the 2016 season because there's no bonus to prorate.

None of the money in the deal's last four years — base salaries of $12.5 million in 2017, $13.5 million in 2018, $17.5 million in 2019 and $19.2 million in 2020, plus $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses each season — is guaranteed.

The deal includes $17.5 million fully guaranteed at the timing of signing. The rest of Cutler's 2014 and '15 base salaries are guaranteed for injury only until the third day of the 2014 league year in March and the 2016 money until the third day of the 2015 league year.

Cutler, 30, actually will get paid more in 2015 than '14, with $5 million of his $22.5 million base next season deferred to multiple payments the following year. The contract includes $500,000 base/guarantee de-escalators each year if Cutler doesn't fulfill offseason workout obligations.

The Bears also re-signed cornerback Tim Jennings and guard Matt Slauson to four-year deals last week. Jennings received $11.8 million guaranteed and Slauson $4.9 million guaranteed.

They now have 33 players under contract for 2014, which is still the fewest in the NFL.

So, they basically franchise tagged him for 3 years. Interesting.

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If I understand this correctly, the money isn't actually guaranteed. They can cut him due to "skill" until the 3rd day of 2014 or 2015.

I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. They can cut him at any time. Maybe Emery is smarter than people give him credit for?

It's not a $54 million guarantee then.

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That's the way I understand it. I'm working off an awful memory, but I believe the guarantee needs to be against 3 things for it to be a real guarantee: Injury, skill and cap. If this is injury only, they can cut can him due to skill or if he doesn't fit under the cap. Just have to do it before that date.


Still not positive I'm right, though.

Thank you.


I wrote FACT as a joke. I dont see many of the top guys having years like that.

So it's only guaranteed if he has a career ending injury?

So then it's a 1 year deal. I guess the Bears trust less in Cutler than I do!

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I figured it was possible you had something from somewhere that showed that ... back off.

Seriously though I thought perhaps there was something to what you said which would be a significant change of course for a thread based almost entirely on statistics in a vacuum that do nothing to elevate a tedious discussion that, ultimately, is completely unenlightening whatever 'side' of the debate one is on.

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Not sure about career ending, but they can't cut him due to injury.

I didnt see what was there before Back off. I was making a heroic trip to Potbelly for lunch.


This argument is going nowhere.

None of us knows what the deal is or what it entails. As soon as someone thinks they know, it gets altered.

By tomorrow, we'll find out he was let go.

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So it's your Christmas Eve!

With this list we can look at Cutler's annual stats as well as the stats of some inferior QB's. I didn't list all QB's every year because it would have taken too long and in some years I didn't believe they had attempted enough passes. You can look at all the stats just by changing the year.


Cutler in 2009:
3666 yards
27 touchdowns
26 interceptions
76.8 rating

Other inferior QB's that played most or all of the season in 2009:

Joe Flacco
3613 yards
21 touchdowns
12 interceptions
88.9 rating

Kyle Orton
3802 yards
21 touchdowns
12 interceptions
86.8 rating

Jason Campbell
3618 yards
20 touchdowns
15 interceptions
86.4 rating

Carson Palmer
3094 yards
21 touchdowns
13 interceptions
83.6 rating

David Garrard
3597 yards
15 touchdowns
10 interceptions
83.5 rating

Matt Hasselbeck
3029 yards
17 touchdowns
17 interceptions
75.1 rating

Cutler in 2010
3274 yards
23 touchdowns
16 interceptions
86.3 rating

Others inferior players in 2010:

Joe Flacco
3622 yards
25 touchdowns
10 interceptions
93.6 rating

Matt Cassel
3116 yards
27 touchdowns
7 interceptions
93 rating

David Garrard
2734 yards
23 touchdowns
15 interceptions
90.8 rating

Jon Kitna
2365 yards
16 touchdowns
12 interceptions
88.9 rating

Kyle Orton
3653 yards
20 touchdowns
9 interceptions
87.5 rating

Carson Palmer
3970 yards
26 touchdowns
20 interceptions
82.4 rating

Ryan Fitzpatrick
3000 yards
23 touchdowns
15 interceptions
81.8 rating


Cutler in 2011:
2319 yards
13 touchdowns
7 interceptions
85.7 rating


Other inferior QB's in 2011:

Alex Smith
3144 yards
17 touchdowns
5 interceptions
80.7 rating

Matt Moore
2497 yards
16 touchdowns
9 interceptions
87.1 rating

Michael Vick
3303 yards
18 touchdowns
14 interceptions
84.9 rating

Matt Hasselbeck
3571 yards
18 touchdowns
14 interceptions
82.4 rating

Joe Flacco
3610 yards
20 touchdowns
12 interceptions
80.9 rating

Andy Dalton
3398 yards
20 touchdowns
13 interceptions
80.4 rating

Cutler in 2012:
3033 yards
19 touchdowns
14 interceptions
81.3 rating

Other inferior QB's in 2012:

Joe Flacco
3817 yards
22 touchdowns
10 interceptions
87.7 rating

Andy Dalton
3669 yards
27 touchdowns
16 interceptions
87.4 rating

Carson Palmer
4018 yards
22 touchdowns
14 interceptions
85.3 rating

Ryan Fitzpatrick
3400 yards
24 touchdowns
16 interceptions
83.3 rating

Sam Bradford
3702 yards
21 touchdowns
13 interceptions
82.6 rating

Josh Freeman
4065 yards
27 touchdowns
17 interceptions
81.6 rating

Christian Ponder
2395 yards
18 touchdowns
12 interceptions
81.2 rating

Cutler in 2013
2621 yards
19 touchdowns
12 interceptions
89.2 rating


Other inferior QB's in 2013:

Josh McCown
1829 yards
13 touchdowns
1 interceptions
109 rating

Sam Bradford
1687 yards
14 touchdowns
4 interceptions
90.9 rating

Alex Smith
3313 yards
23 touchdowns
7 interceptions
89.1 rating

Andy Dalton
4296 yards
33 touchdowns
20 interceptions
88.8 rating

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... asontype/2

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Not really. He'll be guaranteed $34M before the start of this season no matter what.

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Interesting ? No

dumb? Hell yeah

why not tag him n see how year one goes.?

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Right, missed that. Year 1 and 2 are fully guaranteed on the 3rd of March. 2 year deal, then.

Consistently slightly above average

It depends on what you call average. I don't think he was ranked above 13 in any of those seasons and most he was under 15 IIRC.

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Nas are you at least taking into account that "he has a really strong arm"? That doesn't show up on a stat sheet.


I'm loving all this anti Cutler talk.

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Yes. I've said based on "talent" he is a top 5 QB IMO. Problem is the results haven't come close to matching the talent. Results matter. LeBron James can't produce like Luol Deng and expect to get a max deal.

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Per Biggsy, contract allows the Bears to reduce Cutler's cap hit and spread it out at team's discretion if they need the cap room to sign a guy.

Cliff Stein is the man.

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