Later in the show, in typical fashion, Bernstein was berating a caller who had the nerve to suggest Maddux was one of the best RHP of all time. Bernstein, always eager to put down the white athlete, was skeptical. The caller made the mistake of using wins as his first argument, to which DB reflexively launched into his "wins mean nothing, we've moved on from stats like ERA to more advanced metrics", etc.). So then DB suggests looking at WAR. Lo and behold, Greg Maddux was 4th all-time.

That clearly surprised Dan, who then said lifetime WAR was basically a compiler stat, and that pitchers like Pedro had much better "peak WAR" and he proceeded to read off some of Pedro's admittedly impressive seasonal WARs. So then he says he is going to list the top pitchers by 7-year peak WAR. Maddux is 10th (still elite), and I was waiting for Pedro's name...he was like 25th.

Heard exact call. I was howling. And then Terry added Maddux would not be in his starting 5 of all time.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

This is a big deal for Frank. Despite what he said in the press conference he is vindicated. The voting system is broken but many of the voters do take it very seriously. They don't just pull up his career stats on Baseball Reference to determine if he's a Hall of Famer. They talk to people in and around the game. Players, coaches, front office guys, scouts, trainers, beat writers, etc looking for a reason not to vote for him. They obviously couldn't find one.

The fact that Frank, a slugger in the steroid era, was voted in on the first ballot is a tremendous validation that he played the game "the right way."

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Yep he successfully fooled them.

He got huge the clean way - playing big-time college football in the late '80s.

#tonymandarich

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

This is a big deal for Frank. Despite what he said in the press conference he is vindicated. The voting system is broken but many of the voters do take it very seriously. They don't just pull up his career stats on Baseball Reference to determine if he's a Hall of Famer. They talk to people in and around the game. Players, coaches, front office guys, scouts, trainers, beat writers, etc looking for a reason not to vote for him. They obviously couldn't find one.

The fact that Frank, a slugger in the steroid era, was voted in on the first ballot is a tremendous validation that he played the game "the right way."

Heard exact call. I was howling. And then Terry added Maddux would not be in his starting 5 of all time.

WSOX

Shouldn't they talk a lot about it when a Chicago athlete goes into the hall of fame?

I'm sure Goff in Atlanta was talking about Atlanta Braves hall of famer Maddux all day.

That is terrible. Terry's true thoughts are pretty much completely gone now.

Not saying Maddux has to be in your starting 5, but I would bet anything he would have been in Terry's before he got Bernswashed

Buehrle's 6 inning streak was widely celebrated and Ill bet Bernstein was on board.


Wins are just Buehrle's streak + leaving with a lead


Not to mention the Maddux 15 wins streak represents how durable the guy was

Don't be stupid.

He got huge the clean way - playing big-time college football in the late '80s.

#tonymandarich

At a school that has AVERAGED one major ncaa violation every five or so years over the past three decades

Yes. Frank had to play football in order to learn about steroids. They didn't exist at all in baseball at the time and up until now.

or, he ushered in the steroid era with his advanced knowledge of the subject...mind blown!

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

Not saying Maddux has to be in your starting 5, but I would bet anything he would have been in Terry's before he got Bernswashed

One area where Terry doesn't follow Bernstein's lead is on player evaluation - particularly Baseball. Boers bases his opinions on how he remembers or perceived an athlete while Bernstein falls back on (what he believes to be) relevant stats.

One area where Terry doesn't follow Bernstein's lead is on player evaluation - particularly Baseball. Boers bases his opinions on how he remembers or perceived an athlete while Bernstein falls back on (what he believes to be) relevant stats.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

One area where Terry doesn't follow Bernstein's lead is on player evaluation - particularly Baseball. Boers bases his opinions on how he remembers or perceived an athlete while Bernstein falls back on (what he believes to be) relevant stats.

For example, I have no doubt Terry recognizes Jim Rice as the offensive force he was, but he'd hardly put up a fight if danny were to begin spouting the revisionist viewpoint that Dwight Evans was Rice's equal using "advanced metrics".

True. But he quickly rolls over for bernstein. For example, I have no doubt Terry recognizes Jim Rice as the offensive force he was, but he'd hardly put up a fight if danny were to begin spouting the revisionist viewpoint that Dwight Evans was Rice's equal using "advanced metrics".

I don't blame him anymore. Dan is an insufferable prick to argue with. He's never been wrong in his life.

What a terrible way to go about life.