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Man, fuck whatever made this old guy feel the need to pack heat in a goddamn movie theater in the middle of the afternoon. Seriously.


Probably the laws on the books and the fact he was a cop.

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Man, fuck whatever made this old guy feel the need to pack heat in a goddamn movie theater in the middle of the afternoon. Seriously.



This is all the fuck over Chicago too. Not only are off duty cops expected to pack they may be required? And all retired can carry forever and even get "retired" badges. Cops are fucked up and obviously this guy was. But I want to know if this guy was mental/senile or did the young guy go all hard ass on go stfu old man or whatever.

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Man, fuck whatever made this old guy feel the need to pack heat in a goddamn movie theater in the middle of the afternoon. Seriously.



This is all the fuck over Chicago too. Not only are off duty cops expected to pack they may be required? And all retired can carry forever and even get "retired" badges. Cops are fucked up and obviously this guy was. But I want to know if this guy was mental/senile or did the young guy go all hard ass on go stfu old man or whatever.


Sounds like a case of feeling "disrespected" by the old fuck.

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Man, fuck whatever made this old guy feel the need to pack heat in a goddamn movie theater in the middle of the afternoon. Seriously.



This is all the fuck over Chicago too. Not only are off duty cops expected to pack they may be required? And all retired can carry forever and even get "retired" badges. Cops are fucked up and obviously this guy was. But I want to know if this guy was mental/senile or did the young guy go all hard ass on go stfu old man or whatever.


Sounds like a case of feeling "disrespected" by the old fuck.


It could be a lot of things. The older man could have been 100% at fault or they could have shared some of that responsibility. I believe saying it is as simple as "he was shot for texting" is wrong. The texting started the dispute but it wasn't the reason why he was shot.

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My guess is both guy are hot heads and one had a gun.

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My guess is both guy are hot heads and one had a gun.


We need Beardown to give us a detailed description on what happened.

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Man, fuck whatever made this old guy feel the need to pack heat in a goddamn movie theater in the middle of the afternoon. Seriously.


I do wonder whether he was packing or if he went out to the car to get it. Reports said he left the argument to go find a manager, but perhaps he went out to get his gun. If he did go out to get it, there's no way he walks.

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Man, fuck whatever made this old guy feel the need to pack heat in a goddamn movie theater in the middle of the afternoon. Seriously.



This is all the fuck over Chicago too. Not only are off duty cops expected to pack they may be required? And all retired can carry forever and even get "retired" badges. Cops are fucked up and obviously this guy was. But I want to know if this guy was mental/senile or did the young guy go all hard ass on go stfu old man or whatever.


Sounds like a case of feeling "disrespected" by the old fuck.


It could be a lot of things. The older man could have been 100% at fault or they could have shared some of that responsibility. I believe saying it is as simple as "he was shot for texting" is wrong. The texting started the dispute but it wasn't the reason why he was shot.


The texting didn't start the dispute. The old man lacking any self-restraint by being so bothered by something someone else was doing IN FUCKING PUBLIC is what started the "dispute".

Some things need a lot of context and information to make a good, sound judgement on. This one doesn't.

Ya know, if it was your kid that got blown away (God forbid), I really don't think you'd be dicking around with some completely purposeless percentage breakdown of fault like you're some new auto insurance adjuster dealing with a Jewel parking lot accident, so you'll forgive me if I don't find myself awed at artificial intellectualism when talking about a cut and dry murder case.

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You gotta admit, assholes with their phones are pretty annoying in movies.


If ever there were a case for justifiable homicide.....

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Don if you put a kid (I wish you wouldn't use things like that to make a point) or a loved one in ANY situation our views will likely be different. Since that isn't the case I'll reserve judgment until I find out a little more. I've already said that I believe he should have had more restraint BUT I'm unwilling to go as far as others have. It's perfectly fine that you feel differently.

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Don if you put a kid (I wish you wouldn't use things like that to make a point)


But it's entirely part and parcel with my point, which is to say I think your statement is fake because it would never for a moment apply if it were your kid, and unless this guy was from Ork, he was someone's kid, so you'll just have to put your monocle back in its place because my point is if this was your real life you wouldn't be spouting off bullshit like "well, I gotta see if there's a little more to this story to decide if there's some reason to not see this as it is, which is cold-blooded fucking murder".

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She will one day realize that her father could have made 10 easy choices that prolly would have helped avoid the situation.

Thou shall not text...

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Nas wrote:
Don if you put a kid (I wish you wouldn't use things like that to make a point) or a loved one in ANY situation our views will likely be different. Since that isn't the case I'll reserve judgment until I find out a little more. I've already said that I believe he should have had more restraint BUT I'm unwilling to go as far as others have. It's perfectly fine that you feel differently.


Why is it bad that he used a kid as an example? That's the only way to get the point across, and it's a reality of life. If the thought of it makes you so upset, it's probably a good example of why you should be upset that there are people out there with guns who shoot others when they get mad.

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The old man is obviously wacko. And he certainly isn't going to walk. He will be punished.

But the guy who was texting was an asshole. The old man didn't just see him texting and start shooting. He tried to handle it in a more reasonable way. The guy didn't give a fuck. He thought he could just bully some weak old man. If it had been Julius Peppers or Richie Incognito asking him to stop texting, he would have.

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A few things

Hoping cops have more restraint than average citizens is silly, IMO

Im not sure what PittMike and Nas are waiting for? Give me a possible situation where this guy could have legitimately feared for his life. If the deceased didnt have a weapon, its just not plausible.


We simply cant set a precedent where a verbal altercation with anyone younger or stronger = fear for one's life.

In that case, they dont even NEED the stupid Stand your ground law


This is a real simple story. Crazy old man gets mad, his issue is not immediately satisfied, so he shot a guy. That's really all that happened.


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The old man is obviously wacko. And he certainly isn't going to walk. He will be punished.

But the guy who was texting was an asshole. The old man didn't just see him texting and start shooting. He tried to handle it in a more reasonable way. The guy didn't give a fuck. He thought he could just bully some weak old man. If it had been Julius Peppers or Richie Incognito asking him to stop texting, he would have.

The guy who was texting DURING THE PREVIEWS.


And sorry, Im not sure it can be called bullying. The texting guy didnt seek out the old man.


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Don if you put a kid (I wish you wouldn't use things like that to make a point) or a loved one in ANY situation our views will likely be different. Since that isn't the case I'll reserve judgment until I find out a little more. I've already said that I believe he should have had more restraint BUT I'm unwilling to go as far as others have. It's perfectly fine that you feel differently.


Why is it bad that he used a kid as an example? That's the only way to get the point across, and it's a reality of life. If the thought of it makes you so upset, it's probably a good example of why you should be upset that there are people out there with guns who shoot others when they get mad.


Not true. You don't think or behave rationally when it's your child. You don't think clearly when it comes to just about everything that involves something bad happening to your child. Your job as a parent is to protect them. As a father my reaction would be extreme if I had a child killed. I prefer not to have those thoughts for obvious reasons. There are 2 sides to this though. I would also have to view this from the lens of the shooter being my child as well. It's an entirely different reaction in that case.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that the guy who got shot may have been an idiot. Idiots are everywhere. I see idiots at gas stations, at restaurants, at movies, and at work. I don't shoot them. The point itself may be correct, but it's too "small" in the whole picture of what happened here to bear any relevance. You don't shoot people because they are idiots.

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What if a family member of yours was killed by a group of Disney princesses? I bet you'd have a different opinion of Disney princesses.

That is why they "What if it is your kid?" isn't an argument that holds much merit. It could be literally used to make anything sound like it is a horrible thing.

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A few things

Hoping cops have more restraint than average citizens is silly, IMO

Im not sure what PittMike and Nas are waiting for? Give me a possible situation where this guy could have legitimately feared for his life. If the deceased didnt have a weapon, its just not plausible.


We simply cant set a precedent where a verbal altercation with anyone younger or stronger = fear for one's life.

In that case, they dont even NEED the stupid Stand your ground law


This is a real simple story. Crazy old man gets mad, his issue is not immediately satisfied, so he shot a guy. That's really all that happened.


The guy allegedly hit him with an unknown object (probably just popcorn) after the older guy went to tell a manager. There may have been a threat of physical violence because he went to tell the manager. Because of the age difference there may be a size difference. These things matter when it comes to deciding if he truly had a reason to be afraid of bodily harm. Now if we later find out the guy who was killed is smaller than IMU and didn't have a weapon I'm going to think the older guy was full of shit and basically murdered a man because he was upset.

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Don if you put a kid (I wish you wouldn't use things like that to make a point) or a loved one in ANY situation our views will likely be different. Since that isn't the case I'll reserve judgment until I find out a little more. I've already said that I believe he should have had more restraint BUT I'm unwilling to go as far as others have. It's perfectly fine that you feel differently.


Why is it bad that he used a kid as an example? That's the only way to get the point across, and it's a reality of life. If the thought of it makes you so upset, it's probably a good example of why you should be upset that there are people out there with guns who shoot others when they get mad.


Not true. You don't think or behave rationally when it's your child. You don't think clearly when it comes to just about everything that involves something bad happening to your child. Your job as a parent is to protect them. As a father my reaction would be extreme if I had a child killed. I prefer not to have those thoughts for obvious reasons. There are 2 sides to this though. I would also have to view this from the lens of the shooter being my child as well. It's an entirely different reaction in that case.


The bolded part is why he brought it up, and yet you chastised him for bringing it up. You may not like it, but it's reality. And again, if it freaks you out that much, then you should be more concerned that there are nut jobs who shoot people who are acting like idiots instead of blaming the idiot. Many of us are idiots at one time or another. It doesn't mean we should be shot for it.

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A Florida sheriff says a retired Tampa police officer's praiseworthy career doesn't offset the severity of the charge that he shot and killed another man after an argument at a movie theater over texting.

Curtis Reeves, 71, is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 43-year-old Chad Oulson on Monday. Reeves was ordered held without bond Tuesday pending another hearing.

As a police officer for more than two decades until his retirement in 1993, Reeves regularly received outstanding evaluations and numerous letters of commendation for his leadership skills and training he led for other agencies on gun safety and other topics.

Still, Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said Tuesday: "It didn't matter what he had done previously in his life. You don't shoot someone over a texting incident."

As a police officer, Reeves was often praised for his problem-solving and ability to manage stressful situations.

"Captain Reeves not only has the ability to act decisively when necessary but has the foresight to initiate the proper course of action to avoid conflict," a supervisor remarked in one job performance review.

However, early in his career, one supervisor noted: "Reeves has a tendency to be impatient in regards to legal matters and practices now in force ... and may be abrupt with complainants in some areas of the city."

In 1968, he was reprimanded for carelessly handling a city weapon.

"He must have just snapped," said neighbor Joe D'Andrea, who described Reeves as a friendly, "stand-up" guy. "I'm trying to put all of this together."

Pasco County Sheriff's officials say Reeves initially asked Oulson to stop texting at the theater in Wesley Chapel, a suburb about a half-hour north of downtown Tampa.

Sheriff's Detective Allen Proctor wrote that Reeves spoke to Oulson during the movie previews, then got up and informed management.

When Reeves returned to his seat "additional words were exchanged" and Oulson threw a bag of popcorn at Reeves, the report said.

After officers read him his rights, Reeves told the detective that Oulson struck him in the face with an unknown object, and that's when he removed a .380-caliber gun from his pants pocket. The report said Reeves fired the gun and struck Oulson once in the chest and that he "was in fear of being attacked."

The sheriff said at a news conference that Reeves' son — who was off duty from his job as a Tampa officer — was walking into the theater when the shooting happened. Nocco said Reeves briefly struggled with an off-duty deputy but released the weapon. The gun was jammed and unable to fire again.

Pasco Sgt. Steve Greiner was among the first officers in the theater. When asked about Reeves' demeanor, Greiner replied: "He was very calm. He was seated in the chair, looking at the screen."

At the hearing, Judge Lynn Tepper said she found the evidence significant enough to warrant the no-bond order.

Reeves faces life in prison if convicted. He only spoke once during his court appearance, to say "Yes, ma'am" to the judge when she asked him if he could afford to hire his own attorney. Reeves appeared in court via a video link from the jail.

Reeves' attorney, Richard Escobar, argued that his client should be released because of his ties to the community.

Escobar said the probable cause document was "quite weak" and that Reeves was defending himself.

"The alleged victim attacked him," Escobar said, adding that Oulson threw something, possibly popcorn, at Reeves. "At that point in time he has every right to defend himself."

The judge said that throwing "an unknown object does not equal taking out a gun" and shooting someone.

Escobar said Reeves has lived in the Tampa Bay area almost his entire life. Reeves has two grown children.

Reeves' application to join the Tampa Police Department shows that he served in the U.S. Navy from 1961 to 1963 as a machinists' mate on a submarine. After an honorable discharge, he worked as a truck driver and as a warehouse worker.

Neighbors said Reeves and his wife moved to a rural subdivision in Hernando County about 10 years ago.

Everyone in the neighborhood knew Reeves was a retired police officer, said D'Andrea, the neighbor.

"He was a stand-up guy in the neighborhood," D'Andrea said.

Reeves and his wife were friendly with the neighbors, often attending house parties, said D'Andrea. The couple also owned a motorcycle and enjoyed taking long rides.

Reeves was instrumental in establishing the Tampa Police Department's first tactical response team, that agency's spokeswoman said. He retired in 1993 and later worked security at the Busch Gardens theme park. He also served on the Crimestoppers board of Hernando County.

Devon Detrapani and her husband, Joseph, were friends with the Oulsons and the men worked together at Sky Powersports, a motorcycle and off-road vehicle dealer.

Chad Oulson was the company's finance manager and a hard worker, Detrapani said. He rode dirt bikes on the weekend, but his true love was his baby daughter, Lexi.

"They are awesome parents," said Devon Detrapani. "They love that little girl so much."

Detrapani said Oulson was texting with his daughter's daycare on the afternoon he was shot. She said Oulson was a kind man with no anger issues.

"He is a very nice guy," she said. "He would give the shirt off his back to help someone."


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rogers park bryan wrote:
A few things

Hoping cops have more restraint than average citizens is silly, IMO

Im not sure what PittMike and Nas are waiting for? Give me a possible situation where this guy could have legitimately feared for his life. If the deceased didnt have a weapon, its just not plausible.


We simply cant set a precedent where a verbal altercation with anyone younger or stronger = fear for one's life.

In that case, they dont even NEED the stupid Stand your ground law


This is a real simple story. Crazy old man gets mad, his issue is not immediately satisfied, so he shot a guy. That's really all that happened.


The guy allegedly hit him with an unknown object (probably just popcorn) after the older guy went to tell a manager. There may have been a threat of physical violence because he went to tell the manager. Because of the age difference there may be a size difference. These things matter when it comes to deciding if he truly had a reason to be afraid of bodily harm. Now if we later find out the guy who was killed is smaller than IMU and didn't have a weapon I'm going to think the older guy was full of shit and basically murdered a man because he was upset.



He was in a CROWDED MOVIE THEATER. This didn't happen in an alley on the south side! If any altercation occurred, there were reportedly 25 other people in the theater! There is nothing that could have happened that would justify the death of the victim. How are we even discussing this?

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I don't think anyone is arguing that the guy who got shot may have been an idiot. Idiots are everywhere. I see idiots at gas stations, at restaurants, at movies, and at work. I don't shoot them. The point itself may be correct, but it's too "small" in the whole picture of what happened here to bear any relevance. You don't shoot people because they are idiots.

Well said.

I just dont get it. Why is this guy in the movie theater getting worse treatment than most murder victims? I guess it's because he was doing something we can all relate to as being annoying.


But Id guess 80% of people murdered did something annoying to the murderer.


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I don't think anyone is arguing that the guy who got shot may have been an idiot. Idiots are everywhere. I see idiots at gas stations, at restaurants, at movies, and at work. I don't shoot them. The point itself may be correct, but it's too "small" in the whole picture of what happened here to bear any relevance. You don't shoot people because they are idiots.

Well said.

I just dont get it. Why is this guy in the movie theater getting worse treatment than most murder victims? I guess it's because he was doing something we can all relate to as being annoying.


But Id guess 80% of people murdered did something annoying to the murderer.
At worst, the texter deserved a shot in the leg or arm.

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As an aside, texting/talking in a movie theater is one of my biggest pet peeves. Not being able to shut up in general is one of my biggest pet peeves. I wouldn't wish death on those people, however.

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Shoot first, ask questions later


If the old man feared for his life, pulling the gun out probably would have been enough to deal with that. Didnt need to shoot.


But, this may be the dark side of concealed carry as well. Are we gonna have to assume every person is carrying?


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The old man is obviously wacko. And he certainly isn't going to walk. He will be punished.

But the guy who was texting was an asshole. The old man didn't just see him texting and start shooting. He tried to handle it in a more reasonable way. The guy didn't give a fuck. He thought he could just bully some weak old man. If it had been Julius Peppers or Richie Incognito asking him to stop texting, he would have.

The guy who was texting DURING THE PREVIEWS.


And sorry, Im not sure it can be called bullying. The texting guy didnt seek out the old man.


He thought he could get away with telling the old man to fuck off when he was doing something wrong. I call that bullying.

He shouldn't have been texting at all. In fact, there is a giant screen prior to the previews that scolds the viewer to put away their phones. The guy thought it didn't apply to him. And that's where the breakdown in society occurred.

I agree that within the confines of the same society for which the victim had little respect killing the guy is so far over the top as to be insane. But I'm not ashamed to admit that part of me is cheering the shooting. It's the same emotion that made me cheer when Walt blew up KENWINS. Blowing up a guy's car because he's an obnoxious jerk-off is extreme too. But I'd guess most viewers thought it was justice. And yeah, I know it's a TV show, but the emotions are the same.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:33 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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The old man is obviously wacko. And he certainly isn't going to walk. He will be punished.

But the guy who was texting was an asshole. The old man didn't just see him texting and start shooting. He tried to handle it in a more reasonable way. The guy didn't give a fuck. He thought he could just bully some weak old man. If it had been Julius Peppers or Richie Incognito asking him to stop texting, he would have.

The guy who was texting DURING THE PREVIEWS.


And sorry, Im not sure it can be called bullying. The texting guy didnt seek out the old man.


He thought he could get away with telling the old man to fuck off when he was doing something wrong. I call that bullying.

He shouldn't have been texting at all. In fact, there is a giant screen prior to the previews that scolds the viewer to put away their phones. The guy thought it didn't apply to him. And that's where the breakdown in society occurred.

I agree that within the confines of the same society for which the victim had little respect killing the guy is so far over the top as to be insane. But I'm not ashamed to admit that part of me is cheering the shooting. It's the same emotion that made me cheer when Walt blew up KENWINS. Blowing up a guy's car because he's an obnoxious jerk-off is extreme too. But I'd guess most viewers thought it was justice. And yeah, I know it's a TV show, but the emotions are the same.

That's all well and good.

We cant just kill assholes. We'll be extinct in 6 months.

And even Walt didnt kill Ken. Ya know why? Because the audience wouldnt have gone for it.


Last edited by rogers park bryan on Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

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