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There's a nine-page argument going over a man dressed as a bear and this argument is even dumber.

That's not fair, Brick and JORR are heavily involved in that one.

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The dad controlled one of the ultimate what ifs in this equation.

For whatever reason he chose to relinquish that control.


I think this is where my disconnect is coming in. The person who controlled the ultimate "what if" in this situation is the guy with the gun. In fact that's the only reason the dad's actions are even being discussed here.

By characterizing the dad having some sort of control over being shot necessarily implies that he should have expected that any confrontation, no matter the time or the place, could lead to his death.



The dad had the choice to avoid an escalation of the disagreement.

Unfortunately it appears he relinquished that chance.


Yeah, I get that that's your position. And I happen to think it's a paranoid one because it places the burden of avoiding death on the person staring down the barrel of a gun rather than on the person whose finger is on the trigger.

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You think he would go to the theater knowing the guy had a gun? I disagree.


And it wasnt that his cell phone was more important. It was that he didnt want to be told what to do by some silly old man.


The way you're talking, anyone with kids should just be a doormat in case the other person is a psycho



Don't put words into my mouth.

And I'm guessing that the doormat comment is similar to what dad thought.

Anyone with kids and a cell phone has the choice to turn it off when asked. He chose not to.

What the old cop did is crazy.

What the dad chose to not do played a role in the old man's craziness.

Why is it so hard to acknowledge that simple fact?

Everything affects everything.

And we dont know that the throwing of the popcorn led to the shooting. I doubt this old man was far away from it.

Im not trying to put words in your mouth. But should I acquiesce to every unreasonable request by strangers?


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Seacrest wrote:
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The dad controlled one of the ultimate what ifs in this equation.

For whatever reason he chose to relinquish that control.


I think this is where my disconnect is coming in. The person who controlled the ultimate "what if" in this situation is the guy with the gun. In fact that's the only reason the dad's actions are even being discussed here.

By characterizing the dad having some sort of control over being shot necessarily implies that he should have expected that any confrontation, no matter the time or the place, could lead to his death.



The dad had the choice to avoid an escalation of the disagreement.

Unfortunately it appears he relinquished that chance.


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Yeah, I get that that's your position. And I happen to think it's a paranoid one because it places the burden of avoiding death on the person staring down the barrel of a gun rather than on the person whose finger is on the trigger.


It's not my "position."

It's a sad fact at this point.

It takes two to tango. At a younger age I would have reacted the same way the dad did. Hell, I did. Luckily he only stabbed me.

In similar situations now, I choose to avoid confrontations. All that macho bullshit and "who the fuck are you tell me" stuff is for someone else.

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What if the Dad didn't have a cellphone, but snuck in a caffe latte under his shirt. Would be ok to shoot him then?

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What if the Dad didn't have a cellphone, but snuck in a caffe latte under his shirt. Would be ok to shoot him then?


Did someone say that it was OK to shoot him?

Because if they did, i must have missed it.

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I think I get what Crest is saying here but I dont know that I agree with it. We cant let assholes rule the world because we fear they might start shooting.

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I'm just going to stay at home from now on. I don't want to mistakenly give anyone a reason to shoot me.

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There's a nine-page argument going over a man dressed as a bear and this argument is even dumber.


Yep.

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I think I get what Crest is saying here but I dont know that I agree with it. We cant let assholes rule the world because we fear they might start shooting.


I'm not talking about assholes ruling the world.

The actual behavior of leaving your cell phone on in the theater was addressed by JORR.

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I think I get what Crest is saying here but I dont know that I agree with it. We cant let assholes rule the world because we fear they might start shooting.


I'm not talking about assholes ruling the world.

The actual behavior of leaving your cell phone on in the theater was addressed by JORR.


I'm pretty lenient in the theater until the movie actually starts. YOu can talk and do your thing during the previews, I can watch a preview on the internet.

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Curious Hair wrote:
There's a nine-page argument going over a man dressed as a bear and this argument is even dumber.


Yep.


The Larry Davidian escalation of small topics into big threads is what makes this place worth the price of admission.


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There's a nine-page argument going over a man dressed as a bear and this argument is even dumber.
Challenge accepted.

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The dad controlled one of the ultimate what ifs in this equation.

For whatever reason he chose to relinquish that control.


I think this is where my disconnect is coming in. The person who controlled the ultimate "what if" in this situation is the guy with the gun. In fact that's the only reason the dad's actions are even being discussed here.

By characterizing the dad having some sort of control over being shot necessarily implies that he should have expected that any confrontation, no matter the time or the place, could lead to his death.



The dad had the choice to avoid an escalation of the disagreement.

Unfortunately it appears he relinquished that chance.


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Yeah, I get that that's your position. And I happen to think it's a paranoid one because it places the burden of avoiding death on the person staring down the barrel of a gun rather than on the person whose finger is on the trigger.


It's not my "position."

It's a sad fact at this point.

It takes two to tango. At a younger age I would have reacted the same way the dad did. Hell, I did. Luckily he only stabbed me.

In similar situations now, I choose to avoid confrontations. All that macho bullshit and "who the fuck are you tell me" stuff is for someone else.


That's a bleak view of the world. :?

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Im with Seacrest, in that if you can avoid possibly lethal confrontations, you should.


But to turn off your cell phone, during the previews, is not reasonable.


Especially if the "turn your phone off please" message is shown after the previews


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At the hearing on Tuesday, the court heard that Reeves had allegedly confronted a woman at a movie theater last month.
The judge was told that after hearing about the shooting on the news, a woman had contacted police to say Reeves had told her off for texting when she was watching a film on December 28.
Although she didn't make a complaint at the time, the woman claimed Reeves had 'glared at her the entire time throughout the movie and afterwards' even following her to the rest room at one point.
A neighbor, Matthew Harris, told the Tampa Bay Times that Reeves had confronted him about 18 months ago for having his car stereo too loud.
'He kind of snapped at me at first, but then he calmed down,' Mr Harris said, adding that Reeves had told him he used to be in the police.
After his arrest on Monday, police spokeswoman Laura McElroy released a statement saying that Reeves had retired as a police captain in 1993.
She added that he had been instrumental in establishing the agency's first tactical response team.
After he retired, Reeves worked security for the Busch Gardens theme park and was on the board of a neighboring county's Crime Stoppers organization.


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Sounds like the guy was a crotchety old fuck looking for an excuse to get into with somebody.

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Sounds like the guy was a crotchety old fuck looking for an excuse to get into with somebody.

Yep. Another Zimmerman.


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To avoid angry and unnecessary confrontations is not a view.

And it's a good way to live a life.

I wonder if he could have chosen to avoid even responding to the old man.

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To avoid angry and unnecessary confrontations is not a view.

And it's a good way to live a life.
Yep. And since this is at least the second time this old fuck has started something with somebody using their phone in the theatre, he should have went to the management of the place to complain. Maybe then the ushers there could have done a better job and this whole thing could have been avoided.

But nope. He is a former cop who IMO was just itching to take the law into his own hands.

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To avoid angry and unnecessary confrontations is not a view.

And it's a good way to live a life.

I wonder if he could have chosen to avoid even responding to the old man.


I agree that not escalating a situation is always the best thing to do and maybe I'm just splitting hairs at this point, but I think the reason for choosing not to escalate a situation should come from the desire to not be an asshole rather than out of fear for your life.

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But nope. He is a former cop who IMO was just itching to take the law into his own hands.

Agreed.

Im guessing being a retired cop, he missed the respect he got when he was on duty and how people had to listen to him.


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Sounds like the guy was a crotchety old fuck looking for an excuse to get into with somebody.

Yep. Another Zimmerman.


Clearly not ... I don't believe the NAACP will be pushing for federal charges over and above the ones already filed nor will Sharpton and his pals be holding anti-gun rallies.

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What if the Dad didn't have a cellphone, but snuck in a caffe latte under his shirt. Would be ok to shoot him then?



Bringing in an outside drink may be against the rules of the theater but it isn't a personal affront like doing something ignorant and then telling a guy to fuck off when he asks you to stop.

There are degrees. Shooting a person is worse than spitting in a person's face. But if you're going to spit in someone's face, it's probably good policy to consider that you might get shot.

I can't understand why RPB thinks the shooter was a"silly old man" for requesting that a cuntface who couldn't go 90 minutes without fiddling on an electronic device cease to do so in a venue where doing so is totally inappropriate. No, he didn't "deserve" to be shot. But he was. And why? Because he didn't give a fuck about society and its rules and he ran into a guy who had even less regard for them.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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What if the Dad didn't have a cellphone, but snuck in a caffe latte under his shirt. Would be ok to shoot him then?



Bringing in an outside drink may be against the rules of the theater but it isn't a personal affront like doing something ignorant and then telling a guy to fuck off when he asks you to stop.

There are degrees. Shooting a person is worse than spitting in a person's face. But if you're going to spit in someone's face, it's probably good policy to consider that you might get shot.

I can't understand why RPB thinks the shooter was a"silly old man" for requesting that a cuntface who couldn't go 90 minutes without fiddling on an electronic device cease to do so in a venue where doing so is totally inappropriate. No, he didn't "deserve" to be shot. But he was. And why? Because he didn't give a fuck about society and its rules and he ran into a guy who had even less regard for them.


He got shot because some asshole shot him. I suppose broads get raped because they're asking for it too.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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To avoid angry and unnecessary confrontations is not a view.

And it's a good way to live a life.

I wonder if he could have chosen to avoid even responding to the old man.


I agree that not escalating a situation is always the best thing to do and maybe I'm just splitting hairs at this point, but I think the reason for choosing not to escalate a situation should come from the desire to not be an asshole rather than out of fear for your life.


It's not out of fear. Trying to avoid pointless arguments is a good thing to me.

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What if the Dad didn't have a cellphone, but snuck in a caffe latte under his shirt. Would be ok to shoot him then?



Bringing in an outside drink may be against the rules of the theater but it isn't a personal affront like doing something ignorant and then telling a guy to fuck off when he asks you to stop.

There are degrees. Shooting a person is worse than spitting in a person's face. But if you're going to spit in someone's face, it's probably good policy to consider that you might get shot.

I can't understand why RPB thinks the shooter was a"silly old man" for requesting that a cuntface who couldn't go 90 minutes without fiddling on an electronic device cease to do so in a venue where doing so is totally inappropriate. No, he didn't "deserve" to be shot. But he was. And why? Because he didn't give a fuck about society and its rules and he ran into a guy who had even less regard for them.
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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To avoid angry and unnecessary confrontations is not a view.

And it's a good way to live a life.
Yep. And since this is at least the second time this old fuck has started something with somebody using their phone in the theatre, he should have went to the management of the place to complain. Maybe then the ushers there could have done a better job and this whole thing could have been avoided.

But nope. He is a former cop who IMO was just itching to take the law into his own hands.



I respect your opinion.

You seem to have an issue with respecting my reference to obvious facts.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I can't understand why RPB thinks the shooter was a"silly old man" for requesting that a cuntface who couldn't go 90 minutes without fiddling on an electronic device cease to do so in a venue where doing so is totally inappropriate.

I dont think it's inappropriate during the previews and I dont even think it's a big deal during the movie if it's silent.

This guy was looking for a confrontation (as evidenced by his following a woman to the bathroom weeks earlier)


Perhaps the deceased was texting during the previews and getting it done so as to avoid doing it in the movie?



Either way, a silent 3 inch cell phone light shouldn't bother you. That's not reasonable.


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What if the Dad didn't have a cellphone, but snuck in a caffe latte under his shirt. Would be ok to shoot him then?



Bringing in an outside drink may be against the rules of the theater but it isn't a personal affront like doing something ignorant and then telling a guy to fuck off when he asks you to stop.

There are degrees. Shooting a person is worse than spitting in a person's face. But if you're going to spit in someone's face, it's probably good policy to consider that you might get shot.

I can't understand why RPB thinks the shooter was a"silly old man" for requesting that a cuntface who couldn't go 90 minutes without fiddling on an electronic device cease to do so in a venue where doing so is totally inappropriate. No, he didn't "deserve" to be shot. But he was. And why? Because he didn't give a fuck about society and its rules and he ran into a guy who had even less regard for them.


He got shot because some asshole shot him. I suppose broads get raped because they're asking for it too.



:lol: :lol: Yeah, because that's exactly the same thing.

He got shot because he acted like a Caller Bob in a movie theater. That may not be a justification for shooting him, but the fact he got shot doesn't justify acting like a Caller Bob either. Thousands of people die everyday. I'm not losing any sleep over this particular asshole.

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