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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:19 pm 
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On the positive seed, it is good reading Jason Mcleod's comments. This guy knows his shit. Hope they can keep him for a couple more years before he gets a GM gig.

At least Ricketts has opened up the purse strings for the minor league system, so let's hope as these guys arrive to the big leagues, that they will actually have state of the art facilties to work out in, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:20 pm 
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Still better than going to a fantasy football convention...


Dont know about that. Havent been to a FFL Expo, but I actually think it might be more fun.

The Creepy factor at the Cubs or Bear convention is really weird too. Mac had it right, kinda Trekky! I would assume the Sox would be that way, but they only get like 200 people, so its not as strange.

But walking through the lobby on the Hotel and seeing 95% of the people in Cubs jerseys, especially at night made it really strange. They dont really have anything to do at night, thus they all walk around still looking for Santo!
Yeah, but I assume there are women at the Cubs convention who aren't being paid to be there.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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I agree. These conventions are weird and boring. I've only been to one. Sox fest like 7 or 8 years ago. I felt like an idiot and really didn't know why I went once I was there.

I waited in line to get Rowand and Garland's autograph. Not cuz I'm an autograph hound. Not since I was a kid do I care about autographs. It was one of those things that I did cuz I was there and I had to do something other then walking around with no purpose. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:57 pm 
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They dont really have anything to do at night, thus they all walk around still looking for Santo!

Shouldn't be that hard to catch up to a guy with no feet.


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They dont really have anything to do at night, thus they all walk around still looking for Santo!

Shouldn't be that hard to catch up to a guy with no feet.


Feet on a dead guy are not much use anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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Reinsdorf kept Cuban out and that was total bullshit. I bet the Cubs would have a brand spanking new stadium to move into by next season in Rosemont if he was owner.

OR

Those rooftop fucks would have caved to his demands. Cuban made his own money unlike li'l Tommy.

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Reinsdorf kept Cuban out and that was total bullshit. I bet the Cubs would have a brand spanking new stadium to move into by next season in Rosemont if he was owner.

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Those rooftop fucks would have caved to his demands. Cuban made his own money unlike li'l Tommy.


Agree, it is a totally different mindset. Tommys company INCAPITAL is designed for people like his family that have $100 mill to invest. They look for conservative stuff that can make the family 5-7% a year and distribute it to family members.

Cuban hustled his ass off to make his money.

Jerry could never have kept anyone out of baseball. he is just some guy who owns a team.

Even though he is the only guy to vote against him buying the Mavs. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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So the Chicago Cubs just claimed that they stink because the rooftop owners are costing them money. Wow. Somehow it's probably my fault too.

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Rfdc...wrong as usual, Cuban would have turned this shit show around already...Hes a self made billionaire and won in the nba already...much harder to win in nba. He would have never made mistake after mistake like Ricketts has...Ricketts is a little bitch who had his daddy buy a team and it shows.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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if i had initiative i'd go print up a bunch of t-shirts with this image on it and hock 'em for $25 outside the convention:

Image

Some ESPN writer made a plaque like this for Mark Prior and how he thought his career would have gone.

It was like 6 Cy Young's, 300 Wins, and two World Series a piece for Cubs and Yankees


I remember prior to the 2004 season when Terry "Mr. Baseball" Boers thought Prior was going to win 28 games.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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That's crazy. Even at his best, why would anyone think he'd be thast much better than Pedro for instance


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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I had fun at the only convention I ever want to. I was 8.

Can't imagine going after age 12


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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Rfdc...wrong as usual, Cuban would have turned this shit show around already...Hes a self made billionaire and won in the nba already...much harder to win in nba. He would have never made mistake after mistake like Ricketts has...Ricketts is a little bitch who had his daddy buy a team and it shows.

How do you know he would have had this turned around already? It took 6 years for him to get the team to the NBA finals and 11 years before they won the title. Before 2011 many were beginning to wonder if he could get it done in Dallas.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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So the Chicago Cubs just claimed that they stink because the rooftop owners are costing them money. Wow. Somehow it's probably my fault too.



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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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Rfdc...wrong as usual, Cuban would have turned this shit show around already...Hes a self made billionaire and won in the nba already...much harder to win in nba. He would have never made mistake after mistake like Ricketts has...Ricketts is a little bitch who had his daddy buy a team and it shows.

How do you know he would have had this turned around already? It took 6 years for him to get the team to the NBA finals and 11 years before they won the title. Before 2011 many were beginning to wonder if he could get it done in Dallas.



Illitch throws around money in Detroit as Cuban would have on Cubs. They do not have 5 titles.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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I agree that Cuban would have generally been more assertive and effective than Ricketts has been, but moving the Cubs to the suburbs is an empty threat from anyone's mouth.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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Cuban would have recognized that his biggest hurdle to MONETIZATION OF EVERYTHING was the rooftop owners and would have acted appropriately.

If you have ever seen the movie Michael Clayton there is a scene where Clooney sets the stupid general counsel straight by saying "I'm not the person you kill, I'm the person you buy off"

Those rooftop owners don't give a rat's rear end about anything involved in this topic other than profit. Don't buy the buildings but pay for their "support". That should have been a line item in the $300 million dollar budget.

Instead, they decided to go to war. That worked well.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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Cuban's Opening Day Lineup would be


Granderson
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Just so we are clear, even if Jerry Reinsdorf had sold the Sox 10 years ago, Cuban was never owning the Cubs or any MLB team. Owners don't want a loudmouth owner who shakes things up like he does.

I love Cuban by the way, but it's pretty clear the NBA would love to be rid of him if they could too.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Convention
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Just so we are clear, even if Jerry Reinsdorf had sold the Sox 10 years ago, Cuban was never owning the Cubs or any MLB team. Owners don't want a loudmouth owner who shakes things up like he does.

I dont see how you can be so certain. It's a very realistic scenario where Reinsdorf pushed hard against it and you cant know that his contributions would be replaced.


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You know damn well Jerry was very much involved in the blackballing of Cuban.

He has to be laughing his ass off seeing the Cubs in the cellar year after year and attendance going in the toilet (trough).


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He has to be laughing his ass off seeing the Cubs in the cellar year after year and attendance going in the toilet (trough).

Yes, I'm sure he is laughing hysterically at the state of the Cubs attendance.

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Just so we are clear, even if Jerry Reinsdorf had sold the Sox 10 years ago, Cuban was never owning the Cubs or any MLB team. Owners don't want a loudmouth owner who shakes things up like he does.

I dont see how you can be so certain. It's a very realistic scenario where Reinsdorf pushed hard against it and you cant know that his contributions would be replaced.
Cuban has been shut out of any other team purchase in both MLB and the NHL. I don't think he's

Other owners don't like Cubans act. He's not getting approved by them. MLB would have to be desperate to sell in order to bring him on.

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You know damn well Jerry was very much involved in the blackballing of Cuban.
It's not just the Cubs though. Cuban has been shut out multiple times.

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Maybe you're right

How did he get thru on the Mavs though? Maybe when he wants something he gets it?


He was Luke Harengody's dad's roommate at Indiana....so....ya know


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe you're right

How did he get thru on the Mavs though?

Nobody probably knew who he was when he bought the Mavs, besides being a very successful businessman.

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Someone with some big time connections has it in for Cuban. If you remember, the insider trading allegations surfaced when he was trying to buy the Cubs. They were later dropped.

Talk about some powerful enemies.

Maybe some jealousy at work given Cuban made his own money??


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Maybe you're right

How did he get thru on the Mavs though? Maybe when he wants something he gets it?
His history with the Mavs is why he isn't getting another team. The NBA probably wishes he'd sell too. MLB, which is less forward thinking, would hate him more.

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But let's not make him into more than what he is. He would not be able to just magically make all the obstacles for the Cubs disappear. There would still be a lot of red tape and political BS to work through.
Exactly.

Though I'm sure at the very least he would have had some sort of batting cage area installed by this point.

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Rfdc...wrong as usual, Cuban would have turned this shit show around already...Hes a self made billionaire and won in the nba already...much harder to win in nba. He would have never made mistake after mistake like Ricketts has...Ricketts is a little bitch who had his daddy buy a team and it shows.

How do you know he would have had this turned around already? It took 6 years for him to get the team to the NBA finals and 11 years before they won the title. Before 2011 many were beginning to wonder if he could get it done in Dallas.



Illitch throws around money in Detroit as Cuban would have on Cubs. They do not have 5 titles.


He bought the Red Wings in the early 80s. They have won a few cups since, also at one point. Were arguably the most talented sports teams ever assembled. Not wading into the ownership debate because I hate the Cubs and no way Cuban would ever own a baseball franchise. Especially after suggesting that it was like being a mafia don.

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