That's kind of breaking news.

Theo is getting every dollar he asks for. Theo is not asking for money to improve the on-field product. He doesn't care about the on-field product. That's really big news.

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You know me like that.

The Cardinals had Albert Pujols when they were making their shift from trading for everyone and going for broke, to the farm system. Quite a big difference from what the Cubs did. Eventually, the Cards had the talent to let Pujols go. The other key difference? The Cards also developed lots of pitching arms. The Cubs? Do they have a prospect that's even close to a Carlos Martinez or a Trevor Rosenthal?

Someone needs to explain this to Bernstine.

Shockingly, LoHo has the exact same opinion as B&B on the Cubs. I enjoy the varied perspectives that The Score gives me.

THE CUBS HAVE OUTSPENT EVERYONE ON AMATEUR TALENT!!!!

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I say boy....how many Championship did they win? Last WS Cubs '45 Tribe '48...this ain't no Dinner Theater Mother Fucker

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

To be fair, B&B's "football expert" Adam Hoge was on today and said he thought Jimmy Garoppolo looked great on the first day at the Senior Bowl. Perhaps the best QB there.

Meanwhile, Sir just had on Eric Edholm (someone who has covered the NFL for over 10 years - you know, not some glorified intern) who said Garoppolo had a rough go his first day.

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I don't know dude. Hoge does write for 670thescore.com. What other great minds can claim that feat?

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They lost the Alcs after being up 3-1

You conveniently left out that he went to St Ignatius too.

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good. golly.

This show had a ton of clip and save regarding the Cubs. They're really going to regret going so hardcore for Theo and Ricketts.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

First they criticize the Cubs convention. Despite Monetize Everything.
"They have plenty of money"
"They knew exactly what the debt service would be"
"They have billions of dollars coming in from their future TV deals"
"They are putting themselves in a position to sustain opportunities for the postseason"
"Only one team has minor leaguers better than the Cubs"

And my favorite,
"They've got players that are coveted throughout baseball"-until you have to get some top level young pitching -and-
"their farm system is stocked"-with everything but pitchers.

But the final cut...the "Rays did it!" Except the Rays never won a World Series. And that's all that matters. And at the end of those 10 minutes they admit that it might not work. And they admit that it's all about getting INTO the postseason. Which undercuts their whole argument.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

I heard bits and pieces of these two dopes blowing Epstein and Ricketts today, and it was blood-boiling...I guess in the back of my mind I tell myself they say this shit solely for ratings. They can't possibly believe it, can they? This notion that fans should want the Cubs (and to a lesser extent the Bulls) to intentionally reek for better drafts is just asinine.

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And regarding Goodell and the PAT elimination, why don't they simply make it a longer kick if the issue is it being automatic? Plus, he's concerned about "adding excitement to every play." Well then, how about eliminating the fucking kneel-down? Bring back the kickoff. Get rid of fair catches (well, maybe not that... someone would probably be killed).

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for whatever reason, and I love this show except for this one failing...with very few exceptions, from 2003 on they are always on board with whatever the Cubs are doing and are predicting nothing but success. Documented in 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009 and now every year since Theo arrived over the waves, THE CUBS WILL BE GOOD! THE CUBS WILL WIN! HOW CAN THEY LOSE! I just don't get it. Every other team gets their fair share of criticism except the Cubs on this show. I'm not sure that by the time Theo gets run out of town with no World Series title to show for it, that this show will still be going. But I sure hope it is. The calls that day will be priceless. At least, they better be.

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You know, I was thinking, for all the sucking the Blackhawks did before Toewsandkane got here, I don't think they really tanked more than two seasons, those being 2003-04 and 2006-07. The '03 team tried to be good and sucked (got us Seabrook), and the '06 team was constructed to at least be middle of the pack and sucked (got us Toews). By 07-08, they were in a playoff position for a lot of the year before they tumbled late. And now they're a drafting/development machine with two championships. Different sport, different fanbase dynamics, but the Cubs are really asking a lot of people to tolerate a lot of sucking. The Hawks were damn near dead by the time Bill Wirtz was actually dead, and they didn't shit up the joint nearly as much as the Cubs have.

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The Cubs lost the Ncls after being up 3-1.....so I really don't see the point here

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I don't know about baseball, but the NBA today is definitely not an 'anything can happen' league. There's definitely a hierarchy of teams, like everywhere else, but that hierarchy rarely collapses as the season goes on, and is usually reflected in the final results. This isn't to say the Bulls should tank, but at the same time there is no glass ceiling in the NBA - the ceiling is actually thick as hell concrete, and every team knows which side of the ceiling they're on.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Well said and for that reason..I'm out! Why even play the season!?!?!?

But understanding that the belief is : "Get in the post season repeatedly and that's the best way to win" their stance makes sense


I dont think they're guarenteeing anything.

Personally, Ill take my chances with the Rays run from 07-13, they're in it every year in a real tough division and have won multiple playoff series

What's so interesting is that in creating an atmosphere that best decides the "true champion", the NBA has also created a product that is generally boring to watch. If one knows the outcome, why waste the time?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yeah, I was just pointing out they ended up Cubbish

But the Rays over that period are very similar to the Cubs from 2003-08. It can't be that "only championships matter" except when they don't. There is no glory in winning 80 games but there is apparently glory in losing the ALDS 3-1.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The funny thing is that this is exactly what the NBA wants. They rig the whole system so the dominant player in the league WILL win the title. The only question is if the second most dominant player can be dominant enough to win the title. The way the game is called. The way it is played. The types of offense and defense that are allowed. The salary cap structure. All of these things are designed so Lebron/Kobe/Shaq/Duncan/Jordan/Magic/Bird win titles. They are constantly chasing the 90s NBA because it was so much of a force then. Lebron screwed it up by being an unlikable douchebag at just the wrong time.

If you are a team without Lebron, you don't matter. Eventually, a team without Kevin Durant won't matter though he may be looking like another Karl Malone who just can't get over another player. And if you are a team that doesn't get whoever the superstar is out of this years draft(probably Jabari Parker) you won't matter either.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I remember one season the Cubs were like twenty games under .500 in August and Terry kept insisting they were going to win a Wild Card. And that isn't imaginary radio. It happened.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Im not defending B and B's entire position on everything

Im saying, if the Cubs are making playoffs consistently, Im happy about that. Obviously you have to get into the playoffs to win.

And this is all B and B bullshit, that Theo and company are the opposite of Hendry. Hendry did a decent job. They got in the playoffs 3 times in 6 years. That's good.

Right, and that's why the NBA is always promoting players. But no league has a fan base made up of dan bernsteins. Sure, you might admire a great player, but fans root for teams. If you break down all team loyalty and simply expect people to watch great athletes, it won't be long before you're chasing viewers. I think the NBA is there right now.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I find it interesting how the goal is to "make the playoffs consistently". Why even say this? Do you think any other team is hoping they make it once every 20 years? I'd love to hear the Royals come out and say "We aren't building for sustained success. We want to have one year where we make the playoffs and then we'll be happy to go back to being bad".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I find it interesting that you find it interesting.

Cleveland was in WS in 1995.

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and 97, but those werent the Sizemore Indians