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They are honoring it. They are entitled to 17% of rooftop revenue. If that eventually means they collect 17% of zero revenue, they would still be honoring the agreement. Unless, of course, the Cubs were short-sighted and stupidly agreed to other terms/restrictions in the contract. And why would they have done that? The rooftop owners had no leverage at the time and were facing either an expensive legal battle or an outright blockage of their views.

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Me? No, I really think that the logistics of major league ballparks calls for roughly centralized locations, especially in large, high-density cities. How can you take any other side, especially Tom Ricketts's? Seems like you're only a liberal when it involves punching down on the internet.

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It is not merely about blocking the rooftops...its about letting the Cubs do what they want to their field. It's about me as a season ticket holder wanting a jumbo tron. It's about me as a fan wanting the team to have more revenue....and then hopefully using that to put a better product on the field. I frankly don't care about a fight between billionaires and millionaires, and I certainly don't care about 17 (or whatever) building owners & their personal business'. I'm a fan of the Cubs. So if the rooftop views get blocked.....tough titty.

Along with all of this....No, I am not a fan of Wrigley Field. It is a difficult, dirty, little dump that I know how to navigate well. I would love a renovated field with new amenities. To me, and to what level I'm not sure...but to me there are 17 business owners, and yes, current cubs business partners, that are blocking the rehab of this dump. That pisses me off and speaks directly to the idiotic city of Chicago. So...let the fucking agreement run its course....as others have said, the Cubs should push the envelope to the n'th degree with the building owners. Then when the contract is up...The Cubs have the right to put up 2 jumbotrons.......one running the span of left field and one running the span of right field.

Of course the city will not allow this...because it is the city after all and there may be some cement columns they are concerned about "preserving". I'm truly amazed at what cannot get done.

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Let me point out once again that both New York teams reside in areas where people either don't live(Mets) or don't want to live(Yankees).

I like Wrigley Field a lot but it seems like the path is clear to basically destroy what makes Wrigley Field as cool of a place as it is. No rooftops. Pumped in advertising and dunkin donut races on the jumbotron between innings. The only "charms" of Wrigley that will survive is a fun neighborhood to stumble out of after the game and the ivy and the red sign outside the stadium. Doesn't this seem a lot like soldier field which isn't even viewed as a classic stadium any more?

It seems like this may be the path of taking the worst of both possible solutions. You don't have a modern stadium but you also lose many of the things that created a great atmosphere of a classic stadium.

Now, I know the response will be "Win a World Series, I don't care about the stadium" but deep down I think Cubs fans feel that Wrigley and the Cubs are "special". They are probably right. However, what makes them special seems to take a major hit when they work towards creating the same experience you get at every other sports arena in the country.

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If you want to talk about things being real, then how about not being Chas and answer this direct question.

The Cubs were so money hungry and they felt that the rooftops were "stealing" from them that they entered into an agreement with them so the Cubs get a portion of that rooftop revenue. Given that, the rooftop owners should be upset if they are going to be put up signs or video boards that block those rooftops out. If I'm a rooftop owner and I've been giving part of my profit to the Cubs for X number of years, you're damn right I'm going to fight something like a jumbotron going up in front of my building.

The Cubs made this bed to a certain extent. They are not totally innocent here.

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Let's also make it clear that the rooftop aren't stealing anything unless you also think your neighbors are stealing your Christmas decorations.

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I'm not making money off of my neighbor's Xmas decorations though.

I think both sides have a point, but the bottom line is that there is a contract/agreement, and if signs or a jumbotron is going to to up, well that obviously changes certain things so that agreement needs to be amended or carried out until it expires.

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Renovation of Wrigley is the best option sans all the red tape (which is admitedly vast)

People make money all the time based on proximity to something else. The bars are making money off the Cubs too.

Now, the Cubs should have the right to hide the game from others but they sold those rights away and have to just deal with it until that agreement isn't there. Then, they just have to deal with an adversarial relationship with the neighbors for a change of longstanding policy.

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And gas stations that are right off the interstate make money because they are close to the road. That is a lot lot different than me charging people $5 to stand on my front lawn to look at my neighbors Xmas display though. That is essentially what the rooftops are doing.

Agreed. And this is where the red tape and Chicago politics comes into play.

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Not all.

3 or 4 of them are owned by Lukas. He isnt going anywhere. He has cashflow from Cubby, Vines and Sports corner and the $50 mill stashed in his Lake Forest mansion.

Murphys isnt going anywhere.

Its the guys who got into the game in the last 5-10 years who have $3 mill mortgages and are going to get killed. A few already have.

Lukas's silence on this has been amazing. I am shocked he allows Mary Murphy to make them look so bad. he is a really sharp guy. he is as much of that neighborhood as any one person is.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Renovation experts, all I hear on the radio/tv/internet is breakdown with talks has delayed renovations? WTF? Why can't Tommy begin renovating bathrooms, clubhouse, batting cage etc? Was I lied to and the renovation is just a jumbotron and outfield signs?

Is Wrigley Field special or not?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Yeah, but they don't have the right to stop people from looking into an open stadium. It's just like if you live next to an outdoor music venue. They can't stop you from letting people come listen to the music.

Just because you can't make money selling tickets to your house doesn't mean that you don't have the right to do it(assuming you have the proper permits, which they do).
Not really though. The Cubs made a business agreement.

The politics can come after that agreement is over.

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A lot of people must think the Cubs are more popular than the Sox because of the great baseball they play. Why not move to Scaumburg and take the games off WGN.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I have known the GC who did upkeep on Wrigley for years. he was a small operation and had about a $2M budget every offseason to fix issues.

He is now part of a much bigger crew working on Wrigley.

Are they building a new structure right now. Nope.

but they have about 100 guys working there. A CONSTANT flow of trucks with concrete epoxy pump trucks and a full fenced off section of work going on.

I dont think it is what they want to get done, but I feel very good about saying that they are doing whatever they can right now. If that means installing new larger sewer lines, new support reinforcement, digging out some areas.

So when I hear "The Experts" Silvy, bernsie and TB continue to say 'Why dont you do something" all these guys need to do is drive by. get out of the car and look!

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I can't fathom why people would want to go to a rooftop in the first place. I'm assuming these tickets cost somewhere in the $50-75 range (for the all you can eat/drink crap), and if I'm already anti-paying-to-sit-in-the-bleachers I can only imagine how horrible the view is from across the damn street and another 25 feet up. It's gotta be a horrible view that falls under the category of "things I'll do once just so I can say i did it" or "things I get hooked up for free" cuz you know someone working at one of Loukas' businesses or something.

btw, I think Wrigley finally put the kibosch on me bringing in a giant captain/jack-n-coke from the 7-11 across the street, though you can still bring in a gyro that you got on the way, right?

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Let's be honest here. Baseball, for many people, is an excuse to go outside and have fun with friends. You can do that on a rooftop. It's like when you are at the Bulls game and you look in the skyboxes and other things are being shown on the televisions.

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It's old & has history (babe ruth played there). If that makes it special then so-be-it. I don't consider it to be special place...but if they choose to stay, then do this rehab project!

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Some thoughts on this are that they (cubs) don't want to start anything until they know they can get everything (in general) that they want. Thought being is once they actually start the other phases they are then Committed (pun intended) to staying there. If the delays and hassles continue.....Ricketts could actually play the card he should have day one and threaten the move out thing.

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Those advantages seem to be going away either way though. Wrigley was special because of how it wasn't like any other stadium. Now, it's basically going to be like every other stadium with video boards and advertising between innings. Now, maybe it won't be the sensory overload of a Bulls or Sox game but it will continue to expand.

I'm a big fan of Wrigley Field, but Wrigley Field as we know it is going away so we can see commercials for Honda in between Kris Bryant doubles.

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No. But for the middle '80s when it suddenly became "a gem", it never has been. Even for that 4-5 year period, "gem" status was a bad joke. It was a dump, same as old Comiskey, falling apart and the home of largely forgettable baseball (same as old Comiskey)

Once the lights were installed, the thin laughable "gem" reasons certainly went out the window.

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Gotcha. I should've done the same. I turn on addison to get on 94 for work and never noticed.

94?!? As a lifelong resident of the city I had to think about that one for a minute.

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Edens.

I'm a numbers (aka suburbs) guy.

Uh...I think its still the Kennedy at that point.

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Look numbers guy, it's not even the Edens @Addison, it's still the Kennedy until the split.

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all that is true. Think Lukas buys more of them out? I just can't see some of them making it.

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