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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:38 pm 
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I still think Starlin will be traded.

during the 2014 season or next off season?


I'll say by the All Star Break, especially if he has a decent 1st half.


I'm going to turn this around and predict Baez is going to be the one traded. His numbers are off the charts good but reading between the lines on interviews I have heard, I'm not sure the team is sure they are transferable to MLB.

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Yeah,his numbers are off the charts all right:44 errors.

This guy will be traded to an American League team OR the Cubs unload Rizzo and put Baez at 1st.

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Professor Parks at BP out out his Top 10 Rankings for the Cubs today.

BP is a pay site so I will list the Top 10 and the "realistic role projection.

1.SS Javier Baez..... High 6; first-division/all-star...ETA: 2014
2.3B Kris Bryant... 7; all-star player... ETA: Late 2014
3.CF Albert Almora...High 5; above-average player...ETA: 2015
4.RF Jorge Soler... 5; major-league regular...ETA: 2015
5.RHP C.J. Edwards... 5; late-innings reliever (setup)... ETA: 2015
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara.... 5; major-league regular... ETA: 2014
7.RHP Pierce Johnson... 5; no. 4 starter...ETA: 2015
8.1B Dan Vogelbach... 5; major-league regular... ETA: 2015
9.3B Christian Villanueva... 5; major-league regular... ETA: 2014
10.3B Jeimer Candelario... 5; major-league regular... ETA: 2016




Prospects on the Rise:
1. RHP Paul Blackburn
2. C Mark Malave
3. LHP Rob Zastryzny

Factors on the Farm (Prospects likely to contribute at the ML level in 2014)
1. 3B Mike Olt
2. RHP Arodys Vizcaino
3. RHP Neil Ramirez

Top 10 Talents 25 and Under (born 4/1/88 or later)

1.Javier Baez
2.Starlin Castro
3.Kris Bryant
4.Anthony Rizzo
5.Albert Amora
6.Jorge Soler
7.C.J Edwards
8.Arismendy Alcantara
9.Pierce Johnson
10.Junior Lake

Through the amateur draft, trades, and the international market, the Cubs have built one of the strongest systems in baseball, with high-impact talent that everybody knows and better depth than people might realize. The farm will rank no. 2 in the minors, just behind the Twins and just ahead of the Pirates.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:33 am 
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not a chance Baez is here before mid 2014 even if its just for business reasons

The real interesting question for me is when will fan pressure become sufficiently intense that the front office feels the need to move a player up a little more quickly than they would have liked

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good dolphin wrote:
not a chance Baez is here before mid 2014 even if its just for business reasons

The real interesting question for me is when will fan pressure become sufficiently intense that the front office feels the need to move a player up a little more quickly than they would have liked

The article just says 2014


Prospects starting to come up and contribute. Id be actually excited, if they had a league average team for the kids to come up to.


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One thing I just thought of and haven't give much thought until now is the player frustration angle. You assume you have these big prospects in the minors. Obviously their dream is to make majors. How long before they start bitching to management and their agents about coming up? They are begin held in the minors due to some plan and all they see is a shit major league team ahead of them holding them back. They might be thinking I can learn up there and not be as bad as that shit?

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however this turns out in the next 4-5 years, its gonna be a compelling story.

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One thing I just thought of and haven't give much thought until now is the player frustration angle. You assume you have these big prospects in the minors. Obviously their dream is to make majors. How long before they start bitching to management and their agents about coming up? They are begin held in the minors due to some plan and all they see is a shit major league team ahead of them holding them back. They might be thinking I can learn up there and not be as bad as that shit?

I dont think thats much of a problem.


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Its not like they have been shacked up at AAA for years or something. The only ones that might get antsy are the ones they traded for like Olt and Ramirez in addition to Jackson and Vitters. None of those 4 tough have gotten the job done at the big league level or been able to stay healthy so they really don't have much room to bitch.

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good dolphin wrote:
The real interesting question for me is when will fan pressure become sufficiently intense that the front office feels the need to move a player up a little more quickly than they would have liked

Never.

Fans being pissy and upset is no incentive. For all of the complaints...nothing will change this year from the last couple in terms of the revenue. It may even improve a little late in the season.

And I'm fine with Ricketts, Theo, and Jed holding steady for this one more season.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
not a chance Baez is here before mid 2014 even if its just for business reasons

The real interesting question for me is when will fan pressure become sufficiently intense that the front office feels the need to move a player up a little more quickly than they would have liked

The article just says 2014


Prospects starting to come up and contribute. Id be actually excited, if they had a league average team for the kids to come up to.


I took the distinction between Bryant's late 2014 and Baez straight 2014 to mean he would be leaving spring training with the Cubs, which he will not.

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Professor Parks at BP out out his Top 10 Rankings for the Cubs today.

BP is a pay site so I will list the Top 10 and the "realistic role projection.

1.SS Javier Baez..... High 6; first-division/all-star...ETA: 2014
2.3B Kris Bryant... 7; all-star player... ETA: Late 2014
3.CF Albert Almora...High 5; above-average player...ETA: 2015.


So they tanked one season for a player who might turn into an above average MLB player. They tanked another for an All Star.

Does this seem like a good business plan?

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good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
not a chance Baez is here before mid 2014 even if its just for business reasons

The real interesting question for me is when will fan pressure become sufficiently intense that the front office feels the need to move a player up a little more quickly than they would have liked

The article just says 2014


Prospects starting to come up and contribute. Id be actually excited, if they had a league average team for the kids to come up to.


I took the distinction between Bryant's late 2014 and Baez straight 2014 to mean he would be leaving spring training with the Cubs, which he will not.

I believe 2014= some time in 2014 and late 2014 = September call up

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good dolphin wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Professor Parks at BP out out his Top 10 Rankings for the Cubs today.

BP is a pay site so I will list the Top 10 and the "realistic role projection.

1.SS Javier Baez..... High 6; first-division/all-star...ETA: 2014
2.3B Kris Bryant... 7; all-star player... ETA: Late 2014
3.CF Albert Almora...High 5; above-average player...ETA: 2015.


So they tanked one season for a player who might turn into an above average MLB player. They tanked another for an All Star.

Does this seem like a good business plan?

Im not sure they tanked anything. Also part of the reason they lost, is they traded guys for parts.

So really even if they had tanked, it was for every player they've acquired in those two years.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Im not sure they tanked anything. Also part of the reason they lost, is they traded guys for parts.

So really even if they had tanked, it was for every player they've acquired in those two years.

In the six weeks before the Soriano trade, the Cubs were on a 24-17 stretch, from the middle of June until the end of July. They were on their way to being a near .500 team.

When everyone wants to discuss doom and gloom, they seem to conveniently forget the positives.

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I thought there was no glory in winning 82 games?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I thought there was no glory in winning 82 games?

There is success in improvement.

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good dolphin wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Professor Parks at BP out out his Top 10 Rankings for the Cubs today.

BP is a pay site so I will list the Top 10 and the "realistic role projection.

1.SS Javier Baez..... High 6; first-division/all-star...ETA: 2014
2.3B Kris Bryant... 7; all-star player... ETA: Late 2014
3.CF Albert Almora...High 5; above-average player...ETA: 2015.


So they tanked one season for a player who might turn into an above average MLB player. They tanked another for an All Star.

Does this seem like a good business plan?


What you didn't see about Almora was what Parks said about Overall Future Potential: High 6; first-division/all-star. He also hit .300 and was the second youngest player in his league.

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Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo at MLBPipeline.com are out today with their TOP 100 Prospects and the Cubs did fairly well.

7. Javier Baez
9. Kris Bryant
18. Albert Almora
42. C.J. Edwards
49. Jorge Soler
89. Arismendy Alcantara
100.Pierce Johnson

Only the Red Sox have more prospects in the Top 100, with nine.

An interesting side note Theo , Jed and Jason are responsible for 14 of the TOP 100.

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo at MLBPipeline.com are out today with their TOP 100 Prospects and the Cubs did fairly well.

7. Javier Baez
9. Kris Bryant
18. Albert Almora
42. C.J. Edwards
49. Jorge Soler
89. Arismendy Alcantara
100.Pierce Johnson


Bobby Crosby
Troy Glaus
Corey Patterson
Chris Capuano
Jay Bruce
Asdrubal Cabrera
Bronson Arroyo


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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo at MLBPipeline.com are out today with their TOP 100 Prospects and the Cubs did fairly well.

7. Javier Baez
9. Kris Bryant
18. Albert Almora
42. C.J. Edwards
49. Jorge Soler
89. Arismendy Alcantara
100.Pierce Johnson

Only the Red Sox have more prospects in the Top 100, with nine.

An interesting side note Theo , Jed and Jason are responsible for 14 of the TOP 100.


a cynical person might believe it is BECAUSE Theo, Jed and Jason picked them that they are highly considered.

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a rational person would think that a website like MLBPipeline.com would not want to take a chance on its reputation by letting its talent evaluation be decided by such a simple assessment.

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a rational person would think that a website like MLBPipeline.com would not want to take a chance on its reputation by letting its talent evaluation be decided by such a simple assessment.


that person would believe scouting/evaluating is an objective science rather than a subjective art

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Got to figure this guy may be good (or real good) but may also be one pitch away from ending his career at any time.

Anyway, it was a good gamble given what they gave up.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/po ... -as-anyone

MESA, Ariz. -- If you’re looking for a young Chicago Cubs pitcher to establish himself this year, there’s one name that keeps coming up: Arodys Vizcaino.

The 23 year-old right-hander from the Dominican Republic hasn’t thrown a pitch in the major leagues in two years yet he’s still listed on Cubs top 10 prospect lists. Think about that. The Cubs minor league pitcher of the year in 2013 with a 13-4 record and 2.00 ERA, Kyle Hendricks, can’t crack those lists yet both Baseball America and ESPN.com’s Keith Law rank Vizcaino as the 10th best prospect in the Cubs system.

“His stuff is as good as anyone in this camp when he’s healthy and he’s healthy right now,” general manager Jed Hoyer said earlier this week.

The reason for the optimism is simple. Vizcaino is a flame thrower, hitting near 100 mph on the radar gun when healthy. He just needs to put his injury-riddled past behind him. That can be easier said than done. Tommy John surgery kept him out of the big leagues in 2012 and then bone chips in his elbow set him back in 2013.

“One hundred percent healthy,” Vizcaino declared Friday. “I’m ready to show that.”

Vizcaino was originally signed by the New York Yankees as an international free agent in 2007 before being traded to the Atlanta Braves where he made his major league debut in 2011 appearing in 17 games. He was rated the Braves' second best prospect coming out of that season before undergoing Tommy John surgery in March of 2012.

The Cubs acquired him at the trade deadline that year for Reed Johnson and Paul Maholm, fully aware he was in the midst of recovering from his major surgery. They were willing to wait him out knowing if he developed he could be a core pitcher as they inch toward contending. They say Vizcaino was clocked around 96 mph this past winter with no ill effects. That has the coaching staff and front office salivating.

“At the end of spring last year, he showed flashes of command and velocity, throwing at about an 80 percent clip,” pitching coach Chris Bosio explained. “He was still throwing the ball over 90 mph. He’s post-op now, so now we have to bring him along.”

That doesn’t mean Vizcaino will be way behind other pitchers in camp, he’ll just be monitored closely and not overused. He’s slated for the middle of the bullpen for now -- that’s at Wrigley Field or Triple-A Iowa.

“When games start, I’ll show what I have,” Vizcaino said.

With his history of injuries history, which goes back even further than his Tommy John surgery, it’s a long shot Vizcaino would develop into a starter. The possibility of him becoming a closer is much greater. It’s hard not to imagine his fastball playing well in the ninth inning of games. But that’s if he stays healthy. It seems to be his only obstacle.

“All the reports that we got out of the Dominican program this winter is he’s throwing the ball really well,” Bosio said. “We’re all looking forward to seeing him throw.”

It’s been a long time coming.


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The river of bullshit is running thick when a middle reliever is being touted in the early spring

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a rational person would think that a website like MLBPipeline.com would not want to take a chance on its reputation by letting its talent evaluation be decided by such a simple assessment.


that person would believe scouting/evaluating is an objective science rather than a subjective art

I can dream, can't I?

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The river of bullshit is running thick when a middle reliever is being touted in the early spring

A pitcher with great stuff ready to prove he's 100% healthy, what could possibly go wrong?


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As long as they have the towel drill in camp, he's got a great shot.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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The river of bullshit is running thick when a middle reliever is being touted in the early spring

A pitcher with great stuff ready to prove he's 100% healthy, what could possibly go wrong?


John Danks, poised for recovery!

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