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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:19 pm 
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Score - 25 million
ESPN 1000 - 13 million

This is just total revenue. Not net profit.

http://www.robertfeder.com/2014/01/16/inside-chicago-radios-cash-register/


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:35 pm 
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Great stuff. Thanks for the heads-up. Sure looks like more stations went down than went up. That big bite out of 780 kinda nullifies the bump the Score had, though. No wonder Rod has been such a busy little hatchet man.

What's amazing is down at the bottom there, basically FM News was only billing $1 million a year. Well, fuck.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:44 pm 
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Yeah. That's why I'm saying Chicago could handle a 3rd sports station. Let's the new station finishes 3rd to the Score and MVP, which they would, so what? Let's say they only make half of what ESPN 1000 is making. That's still 7 million. That's still better than some of those bottom feeders on this list.

So you just scale back the salaries. That's all. Still would be a nice living for the talk show hosts.


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I would target WIND for a third station if it were to be on the AM band. The problem is that it's owned by far-right Catholics for whom owning the station is less about bean-counting than it is about doing the work of our Lord, which apparently consists of airing Sean Hannity's talk show. They'll happily lose millions of dollars a year if it means some girl somewhere chooses not to get her egg scrambled.

I'm surprised 100.3 bills as much as it does, being such a vanilla non-entity. It's also handcuffed by its ownership so as never to come close to challenging WTMX (which clearly bills quite well). Conversely, I'm surprised the Loop is as low as it is for such a heritage station.

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I would target WIND for a third station if it were to be on the AM band. The problem is that it's owned by far-right Catholics for whom owning the station is less about bean-counting than it is about doing the work of our Lord, which apparently consists of airing Sean Hannity's talk show. They'll happily lose millions of dollars a year if it means some girl somewhere chooses not to get her egg scrambled.

I'm surprised 100.3 bills as much as it does, being such a vanilla non-entity. It's also handcuffed by its ownership so as never to come close to challenging WTMX (which clearly bills quite well). Conversely, I'm surprised the Loop is as low as it is for such a heritage station.


For a while in the late 90's/early 00's, Bonneville owned The Loop (97.9), The Drive (97.1), the MI (101.9) and I think the Lite (93.9) They acquired the Loop from Chancellor/Evergreen when they split/sold off 103.5, 97.9, and AM1000. They had bought and consequently blew up WNIB, stunting with an artist a day (Stones, Frank Sinatra, Zeppelin, Elvis) for what seemed like a long time, before launching "Classic Hits" on the Drive. Back then it was very acoustic- CSNY, Dylan, Zep III, but not Soft Rock per say. They would play Pink Floyd, but only something like "Mother." No GnR or AC/DC like they do now.

I don't recall when or why the Mormons started selling off these properties but I presume it was around the time doomsayers were proclaiming that Internet and Satellite radio would kill off the FM band. But for that time, Bonnevile controlled a billing juggarnaut: The upper and lower ends of the 25-54 white demo, male (Loop on the low age end, Drive on the high end) and female (Mix low, Lite high.) These demos made for very attractive package buys for clients, and kept the ratings underperformers in the group alive and allowed to find an audience ( The Drive format was later copied around the country.) Infinity/CBS had a nice gaggle of compimentary stations too, but not nearly as neatly-tied a sales pitch as those four.

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I never thought I would see the day when WSCR is within $4.4 Million dollars of WGN. Wow.

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I had a real problem with Bonneville -- a fully-owned subsidiary of the Mormon Church -- owning radio stations here. First of all, I didn't like a church owning and operating for-profit radio stations. Second of all, I had a problem with this church owning and operating these stations. The Mormons, even more so than most churches, hold a low opinion of blacks, gays, Jews, women, socialists, and even anyone who drinks and/or smokes. This is a position that is fundamentally, self-evidently incompatible with owning the Loop and the Drive. If you disapprove of Hendrix, Elton John, Lou Reed, Bowie, Janis, the Clash, Dylan, Springsteen, G&R, on and on and on here, then how can your church see fit to monetize the playing of their music? So never losing one's head even while giving head is good enough to amuse the gentile and apostate scum, and good enough to finance the Mormon Church's creepy obsession with posthumously baptizing murdered Jews, but do you think the Church wanted its own membership consuming this subset of Bonneville-owned media? I highly doubt that.

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So what would you guess the Score's payroll is.

Just quickly trying to figure it out off the top of my head, probably no more than 6 million. That might even be high. You figure the rent for their offices and studio, equipment expenses, maintenance and the rest of the overhead couldn't be more than 4 million. That might be high. So let's just say a total of 10 million in payroll and operating expenses.

So Zimmerman clears 15 million from the Score for his NY bosses. Way to go Zim!!!


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Telegram Sam wrote:
t was around the time doomsayers were proclaiming that Internet and Satellite radio would kill off the FM band.

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no more bullshit? they fucked up the grammar because it really ended up being "no, more bullshit!" remember when howard having a private parts premiere meant that NYC closed down 7th ave and sold out a screening @ MSG meanwhile MTV devoted live coverage to the "red carpet party" for the event on a thursday night and then at least E! if not both E! and MTV dedicated saturday to be "HOWARD STERN DAY" and both aired 24hrs of nonstop howard programming?

well check out how far the wig has fallen:
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so anyways, forgive my tangential aside, but that whole notion that sirius/XM was gonna take out regular radio was truly laughable in retrospect. once howard got all of his subscriber bonuses he started mailing it in wholesale, unless you consider his constant barrage of talking up the sirius/XM merger as "all in" effort.... of course then after the merger he decided that all the new listeners from XM should be counted as subscribers he helped get for his bonuses and thus wiggy sued them for $100mil, but evidently that's OK cuz sirius couldn't wait to have howard host their super bowl party, erm, THROW HOWARD A BIG GIANT BIRTHDAY BASH! yeah! hottest ticket in town, robin!

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that whole notion that sirius/XM was gonna take out regular radio was truly laughable in retrospect.


Satellite defintitely took its pound of flesh from terrestrial radio, but paying for what's most often a passive medium just doesn't make sense for a lot of people. It's not like paying for HBO, where you're sitting down to enjoy a quality episode of The Sopranos, The Wire, or Girls. 24 hours of '80s music isn't Appointment Radio.

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You know, not only does Robert Feder's website provide us with tons of useful radio tidbits, it's also a place to do some real blue-ribbon gold-medal people-watchin'. There are some good commenters there -- Charlie Meyerson posts rather often -- but man, their gadflies make ours look sane. There's this one guy whose response to anyone daring to say that maybe radio playlists aren't as deep as they could be is to flip his shit and call the person an "Elitist Rock Snob." It's delightful.

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Curious Hair wrote:
I would target WIND for a third station if it were to be on the AM band. The problem is that it's owned by far-right Catholics for whom owning the station is less about bean-counting than it is about doing the work of our Lord, which apparently consists of airing Sean Hannity's talk show. They'll happily lose millions of dollars a year if it means some girl somewhere chooses not to get her egg scrambled.

I'm surprised 100.3 bills as much as it does, being such a vanilla non-entity. It's also handcuffed by its ownership so as never to come close to challenging WTMX (which clearly bills quite well). Conversely, I'm surprised the Loop is as low as it is for such a heritage station.



Wrong again CH.

Did you lose a girlfriend to a Catholic guy growing up?

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Beardown wrote:
So what would you guess the Score's payroll is.

Just quickly trying to figure it out off the top of my head, probably no more than 6 million. That might even be high. You figure the rent for their offices and studio, equipment expenses, maintenance and the rest of the overhead couldn't be more than 4 million. That might be high. So let's just say a total of 10 million in payroll and operating expenses.

So Zimmerman clears 15 million from the Score for his NY bosses. Way to go Zim!!!


I love this game:

Mully and Hanley: 200K each
Mac and Spiegs: 400K combined (250/150 split)
Boers and Bernstien: 300K each
Sir: 350K
Les: 80K

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Beardown wrote:
So what would you guess the Score's payroll is.

Just quickly trying to figure it out off the top of my head, probably no more than 6 million. That might even be high. You figure the rent for their offices and studio, equipment expenses, maintenance and the rest of the overhead couldn't be more than 4 million. That might be high. So let's just say a total of 10 million in payroll and operating expenses.

So Zimmerman clears 15 million from the Score for his NY bosses. Way to go Zim!!!


I love this game:

Mully and Hanley: 200K each
Mac and Spiegs: 400K combined (250/150 split)
Boers and Bernstien: 300K each
Sir: 350K
Les: 80K

Mac making less than B&B? Not a chance.


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Sir making more than any of them???

I still don't get where this mythical $350K figure for him comes from.

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Sir making more than any of them???

I still don't get where this mythical $350K figure for him comes from.


I'm not a money man. Dr. Ken can explain it to you much better than I.

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