Is man made climate change real?

Well, that is a very broad statement. The short answer is yes of course. How could man not have an effect to some extent on conditions? So if asked that very broad question 99% of scientists agree.

Now ask to what extent and how much could be counteracted even if you assume it could be? When one thinks about what we know i.e. pre historic hot stage to ice age and back again how much is China blowing shit into the air mean? What does your Prius mean to it all if anything?

So we spend billions on tax credits and and carbon credits and so on to feel better about doing something because Gore is an alarmist. Then surprise a couple of volcanoes erupt big time and fuck up all their calculations. The truth is you and they have no fucking idea how to control the Earth and climate. After all it is bigger than any of us.

So sure it is a good idea to be cleaner and make changes to preserve a better condition. But at what cost and what are you really affecting?

In the end 99% of scientists agree that they don't even know what they agree on.

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I'm not sure if you are being serious or not, but nothing cures a cold. Drugs just help with the symptoms.

First off, stop referring to fucking Gore. Please. For the sake of all of us. This isn't about Al Gore. It just shows your hypersensitivity to party and ideology.

Second, the bolded portion isn't the argument. The argument is whether it exists. The answer is clearly yes. No one is arguing the economic ramifications of dealing with it. This is the problem with the "deniers." Just because you don't like the solutions doesn't mean you should dismiss the facts. IT EXISTS! I'm not here to debate whether or not we can combat it. I'm here to argue truth and the fact that we shouldn't deny science simply because we don't like the potential solutions to science's ramifications. We will all be worse off for it.

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I know that Bucky. My point is on the rare occasion I do get checked out for a cold or for some minor bacterial infection they tell me what I should take. I just ignore the advice.

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I'm not sure if you are speaking to specifics, but I'm guessing a lot of the studies you read aren't based on scientific consensus. I think if you only focus on the things that most scientists agree on, you'd have better overall results than just going with a single study. That certainly doesn't mean that if scientists are all in consensus, they aren't wrong or won't be proven wrong.

Anthropogenic global warming is not proven. And if there is anthropogenic climate change, it's effects likely pale in comparison to the natural changes our climate experiences thru the normal course of nature.

Is climate change bad? I'm not ready to say it is. Without natural climate change Illinois is covered with glaciers. Humanity would not really exist above the 30th parallel.

I'm not ready to be afraid of it yet.

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I get it. You're being intentionally obtuse. My father wouldn't have lived the past 20 years if not for modern medicine. I'm sure as hell glad he didn't make the decision to pass it off as nonsense because we'd know more in 100 years. Glad to have him around and part of my life. Some of this debate is such nonsense...

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I'm not sure I understand your point then. If it's to show you are tough and can handle symptoms, that's cool.

It's an interesting point because while the science says we're largely overprescribed antibiotics, doctors still write scrips for antibiotics for things that should largely be fought off by our own immune system.
Remember when Zinc was supposed to shorten the timespan of colds? No longer true.

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It's to show how cool he is. And also to distract from how awful this thread he created is.

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But this is largely known and scientifically proven. Antibiotics are overprescribed.

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Yea, but this is not relevant to a cold which was the example he brought up. But you're right.


That type of silly thinking is precisely why Steve Jobs is dead. I hope for Nas' kid's sake, that if he ever has a serious illness he listens to the doctors.

Can you provide for me a peer reviewed paper (not any bs media link) that incontrovertibly says man is THE cause of global warming? One that does not also mention volcanoes, sun effects or any other physical phenomenon? My point is that it all adds up and we can and should be cleaner. But I assuree you there is no papers citing 99% of scientists agreeing it is all Man's fault.

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Right. So why are these doctors still overprescribing them?

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Pittmike, that's largely my point. I say this all the time: I don't know anyone who would say that climate change is not happening. It's anthropogenic climate change, and the extent of the anthropogenic climate change that is in question.
If we have zero net carbon footprint, climate change still occurs.

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A lot of the blame goes on patients for asking for stuff when they don't need it. But yea, still falls on the doctor. That said, the reason is $$$$$.

That's the problem. You never know. We hear about many mistakes that were made using techniques that were agreed upon by the majority. If it's life or death I'm sure I would take their advice and pray they were right. For things that aren't life or death I'll probably continue ignoring it.



It has nothing to do with being tough. It's about not believing the information you are given is reliable and taking a calculated risk that will survive ignoring their orders.

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Dr. laziness, patients not understanding anything and a lot of stuff gets linked back to "Numbers Review" or whatever each groups/hospital calls it. Patient satisfaction and other like categories are linked, often times, to Dr. pay. For larger groups that counts for a lot. Now, with private practices where Dr's aren't told how to practice medicine the abuse of antibiotics is lower.

If you don't believe any information you are given, why are you going to the doctor when you have a flippin' cold then? What could possibly come out of that visit?

You've already told me that science is unreliable and that it's also reliable.



I'm happy it worked out for your father but you are aware there are many others it didn't work out for.

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Not sure where the reliable/unreliable thing is coming from. It's not perfect, but it's by FAR the best we've got.

In regards to my father, I'm absolutely aware that modern medicine can cause problems. My uncle had a flu shot and it fucked him up. But, by and large, modern medicine is better than not trusting it at all. Just look at the average lifespan vs 100 years ago. If you're serious about all this, then you should seriously not take any medical advice ever. I doubt you do that.

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This thread didn't go in the direction I expected it to go but I still enjoyed it.

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Do they ever?

It was interesting.

Did we decide science was reliable?

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We should pay scientists to figure out why Nas goes to the doctor when he has a cold if he doesn't trust anything they say.

Inconclusive.

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Nothing is over.

Not by a long shot.

Well, it's good to know that it's a cold and not a sinus infection.

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I honestly haven't been since I believe 2007. I do take my kids for shots and check ups so there's that.

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But if he has a sinus infection, he's not going to take any drugs because he doesn't believe "the information you are given is reliable."

I don't believe that. I think he said he wouldn't take meds for a cold.

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