where's JORR's thoughts on this? i ask because IIRC JORR was one of the few white sox fans on here to be overtly/overly critical of robin even back to his first season honeymoon when he was a total darling for getting a surprising .500+/late-season-collapse-via-bataan-death-march in a division where everyone and reinsdorf's mom picked le tigre to walk away with the division.

IIRC, JORR has had very specific beefs about ventura's in-game strategy (or more appropriately, the lack thereof?) i believe relating to baserunning (or more appropriately, the lack thereof?) and he pretty much came to the conclusion (even if via my own inference) and robin was largely asleep at the wheel managing a club that nobody really has expectations for, so as long as you don't have terry bevington v2.0 shitting the bed and obviously costing you ~10 games from your pythag W/L, meh, who cares because it's not like anyone picks the white sox to do anything anyways, and if they do it'll be because a few of the core guys get hot and have career years alongside some solid pitching and an effective bullpen.

so yeah i dont have any strong feelings either way about robin.... i mean he's just kind of there presiding over white sox baseball, and in the end all you can really say about him is that "he sure isn't ozzie guillen", who btw i'd be willing to bet eventually returns home like the prodigal son if/when this team becomes a consistent contender that could use a good manager to push them over the top / through-the-playoffs.

until then, here's to hoping that one of these next few years has the big/$$$ bats step up and hit 30HR/100RBI without hitting .198, and then the pitching does a notch or two above expectations with a bullpen that isnt blowing games left and right (like 2011 i wanna say?) and then the perpetually-underwhelming tigers will creep back towards them with ~90-94 wins and the indians will have 80someting wins but remain "scrappy" and "creeping on the come up" and the dumbass royals will continue to rue the day that they dumped off a future cornerstone in wil myers (even if he left after his arb years) for BIG GAME JAMES shields, immediate success notwithstanding good god man that was a boneheaded trade. tampa can't develop position players to save their life (even longoria being the obvious exception) and with their prospect pipeline drying up (when terry boers says its over, its over) they had no chance to get out of their rut unless some dumb desperate team was willing to give up a blue chip stud for one of their pitchers..... but man, why not give wil a year to prove his worth in MLB and then you can trade/sign david price instead of settling for BIG GAME JAMES, who is prone to have another 4.20/1.25 type 13-11 season, of course with 7 CGs so that's gonna be invaluable, eh?

dumbass royals.

I believe in the sacrifice bunt. Yes,you give an out but how many times will you have a guy in scoring position during a game? I feel you have to increase those times to increase your chance of scoring.

all those models that show sacrifices are bad assume average offense. may not hold for an historically bad offense. I dunno. I'm just sayin'.

Ventura made 67 million plus while playing. You think Uncle Jerry's money is why he's managing? Ill admit I dont know why he is but Id be surprised if its money.

JR refuses to negotiate through agents with coaches and administration. That limits your candidates to guys who aren't looking for jobs or guys who will take the first offer that comes their way.

but Robin didn't take the first offer for an extension that came his way. He turned it down and signed a longer extension. Narrative.

Just asking.

When Good Dolphin or JORR (or other Sox fans)point out many of Jerrys 'schemes" such as not talking to agents, ethical questions of meeting with players without agents, annuity payments instead of bonus payments, rule manipulations, politically influenced beneficial laws, etc....do they "HATE" Jerry like I allegedly do?

but Robin didn't take the first offer for an extension that came his way. He turned it down and signed a longer extension. Narrative.

I don't know why a Sox fan would complain about most of that stuff. It sounds like good business and it's obviously successful since, well, you know.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I'm trying to figure out your point with this response because it does not really follow my statement. Is it your belief Robin turned down the extension last year as part of some hard fought negotiation that landed him this extension?

Hard fought is a little strong but he didn't jump when Jerry said jump and he got at least an extra year out of it.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

Renegotiating after a 99 loss season was a position of power?

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

Hard fought is a little strong but he didn't jump when Jerry said jump and he got at least an extra year out of it.

The statement pertains to his original hire...and Ozzies...and KW...and Hahn....and Krause...and Thibodeau...and Skiles...and Jackson...and the parade of morons between Skiles and Jackson. That's sufficient narrative for a book as thick as War and Peace.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Just asking.

When Good Dolphin or JORR (or other Sox fans)point out many of Jerrys 'schemes" such as not talking to agents, ethical questions of meeting with players without agents, annuity payments instead of bonus payments, rule manipulations, politically influenced beneficial laws, etc....do they "HATE" Jerry like I allegedly do?

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

You are envious of him is what it appears.

Signs multi-year extension. Awesome.

Biggie, no need to troll here anymore, Frank is gone, remember?

this is called having a discussion with a guy who is a Sox fan. Not just a guy who defends all things Sox, just because....even though Soze is close, but give him the benefit of knowing that he does it.