Mike, maybe we should just piss all of our money away & screw the kids...they're on their own.

Nope...I'll stick to my original plan, which is a plan that every generation in my family has followed for at least the last 5 generations. Live responsibly, save some money & take care of your family. More people should try it.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

More people might if you just appeared for a millisecond to give a scintilla of a shit for those who did not receive generational money like yourself.

Do you really have no idea how coarse and ill mannered you come across as a person?

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crazy.

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True!

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

I'm not talking about handing over piles of cash to youngsters. That is a stupid thing to do. As I stated, I'm talking about helping my Children as they grow up, get married, buy a house, help with their children's college tuition, etc. As I said, I'm planning on being around for a while so hopefully they wont get my money until they are in their 40's or 50's.

People who acquire some wealth & selfishly keep it all for themselves instead of helping others are just rotten bastards.

I know that you believe in sharing the wealth, right?

I would hope that you would do the same for your kids.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

He doesnt.

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I never ever have said that & you know it. As a matter of fact, I know many immigrants who work their ass off, 2 or 3 jobs, working 18 hour days. I have hired some of these good people for various jobs at the house & they are great hard working down to Earth people. Sometimes I pay them more for a job than they quoted me because I think they low balled me just to get the job & know that they deserve more. These aren't "lower class" people to me. Lower class to me is people who sit around & bitch & moan about their lot in life, do nothing to help change their situation & expect someone to fix their problems for them.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

People can only do so much to help others. Give as much as you can to charity, & take care of your family. Both of those are things that I give a shit about. I am posting about my desire to help take care of my family & you call it coarse & ill mannered. I give up.

If you want to piss your money away & leave your kids nothing, I would say that is selfish & irresponsible. But thats just me. You do what you want.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Yup.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

So your kids deserve a greater share of earth's resources simply by virtue of having a parent who worked hard? They shouldn't have to work hard? That's a real human question. I understand it's tough for you to step outside the only paradigm you've ever know and think about the world, about society, about different possibilities. Are you saying that some people should be allowed by society not to contribute, not to work, and to simply live off the accumulation of a forebear(s)? Do you believe that is the best system? On the one hand, you seem to believe that reward should come from hard work. But in other instances, you obviously feel reward should simply come from being born lucky.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Nothing wrong with helping out your kids simply because you love them but eventually,they need to make it on their own. Both of mine are already working hard and graduated college.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Exactly. As parents, it is incumbent on us to prepare our Children for life & the challenges that will surely come their way. 2 of my 3 kids have graduated from college & I am proud as hell of them. My 3rd should graduate in 1 year. Congratulations to you & your 2 kids!

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

I'm not saying there's anything "wrong" with it within the context of our society as it is. What I'm asking you to do is step away for a moment from all the structure you have lived with throughout your life and pretend you and I are two powerful men setting up a city-state and laying out structure, rules, laws, and custom for our society. You've already expressed the idea that work is good. So in our attempt to create our perfect society, we definitely want to reward hard work, correct? As part of making hard work a core value of our society, I'm going to suggest that it is illegal to give anyone a reward that was not earned through their own hard work (or ingenuity). Each man must make his own way and perform his own hard work to achieve his own goals and accumulate his own wealth. Now, you being a man that so values hard work, I would think you would find it difficult to disagree.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Also, I'm glad you're proud of your kids. I'm sure they're nice people. But here's how you come off to me:

You're the manager of a baseball team and you were able to arrange things so your guys began the game winning 5-0. Now it's the seventh inning and your team is clinging to a 1 or 2 run lead and you're proudly strutting around the dugout smoking a cigar and gobbling takeout from Wildfire telling everyone how much better your kids are than those on the other team.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Right, but you are one of those people.

Anytime we talk about changing things to make oppurtunity a little more equal, you pipe in with "the poor should just work harder"

You've suggested "Work harder" many many times in many many conversations about poor people.

So what's the real argument, here?

-Helping out your kids, if you deem them deserving, is a good/bad thing?
-Scorehead and the "Work Harder" mantra?

It seems people are responding to the poster and not the post. Or at least looking at the post and taking it the wrong way (on purpose) so they can post a .gif or make some grand societal diatribe in response to something that, while crudely worded, the poster in question didn't really express.

I don't know, I'm just man who would like to appropriately help his kids. I guess that's a bad thing?

It's a bad thing if our God is "hard work". Or is hard work just for other people's kids?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Who is saying this and where has it been said?

The argument is, our current society doesnt always reward hard work like some people like to say.

The helping kids thing was just a vehicle to demonstrate to SH that sometimes hard work isnt enough and people need help

As he, and everyone should. If I'm lucky enough to make that much money I hope my kids can live a life with that level of a safety net too. I haven't even had them yet, and I'm already making plans how they don't ever have to take a single student loan for college. I would hope every parent on this board has the same plans if it works out. It's considered good parenting to raise your kids in the best possible way. That can include giving them every advantage possible.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You shouldn't have said that, Rick, you now have a target on your back! Look out, you fucking monster!

SomeGuy, why so trolly?


Everyone in this thread has said there is NOTHING wrong with helping out your kids. I know you're way too smart to not get this.

So then, you don't really value hard work. If you did, you certainly wouldn't want your kid to take a shortcut. And that's fine. But don't say hard work is the virtue. Money is the virtue and you want your kid to have more than my kid. Let's call it what it is.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Scorehead- and others- often suggest that the answer for others to get where they are (Cooper's Hawk) is hard work. Sam Zell said it and that's what started this thread. But I'm reading now that hard work isn't really the answer. A better answer is to have a rich dad.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

No, I value it. That is why I am working hard. It's not a shortcut, just like taking your kid to museums or encouraging them to do their homework isn't a shortcut. Do you really think I should just kick them out at age 18 and say "Go work hard!".

I also don't think paying for college would qualify as not wanting them to work hard. After all, it should be hard to graduate college and beyond. I just don't see the value in major debt or having to work a part time job throughout college. If I can avoid that, I consider it good parenting.

I think you have a strange definition of hard work. It's not about difficult work. It's about putting the time and being smart about it too. Unfortunately, some have more obstacles to overcome.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So paying for college for your kid now makes you rich?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It makes you richer than a lot of people. But if your kid is so great and so smart and so capable, why does he need you to pay for his college? Can't he compete with the people you see as bums without your help?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

That stat is more a reflection on how poor most of the world actually is. This illustration is really eye-opening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

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