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Why don't you do that? Why don't you give up any or all luxuries?


Short answer? I don't want to.

But if we're talking about making the world a better place, I don't think it can realistically start with Scorehead or you or me. It has to start from the top. We're all taking our cues with regard to consumerism and accumulation from those above us. It's a philosophy that needs to be changed. That's why I find Sam Zell far more objectionable than Scorehead, who I simply find misguided.


It realistically starts with self awareness, followed by action.

You can choose to live your life pointing the finger at the top, I'll choose to take best advantge of what I've been given.

And btw, SH said he was a 5th generation wealth sharer. He may be ignorant, but he had money long before the present culture did.

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But don't sit there and trumpet the foolish lie that the rich are morally better than others by virtue of their wealth which was only acquired via hard work.


wait a second...you seem to be taking a huge leap here
one minutes it's hard work = wealth

now you're saying they're "morally better" ? who ever said or implied that ?


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Short answer? I don't want to.

But if we're talking about making the world a better place, I don't think it can realistically start with Scorehead or you or me. It has to start from the top. We're all taking our cues with regard to consumerism and accumulation from those above us. It's a philosophy that needs to be changed. That's why I find Sam Zell far more objectionable than Scorehead, who I simply find misguided.


Then why do you expect other to? It will always impact us and probably the most. Change in philosophy will not happen just because you take money away from a small portion of people.


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But don't sit there and trumpet the foolish lie that the rich are morally better than others by virtue of their wealth which was only acquired via hard work.


wait a second...you seem to be taking a huge leap here
one minutes it's hard work = wealth

now you're saying they're "morally better" ? who ever said or implied that ?



Don't you think there's an implication in there that the rich are somehow morally superior? They worked harder. Work is good. You're poor, you're lazy, right?

The whole idea that the wealthy are superior is anti-American at its very core. This is an idea that began to be embraced some time in the Reagan administration. Aided by fictional welfare queens and other boogiemen. It's really nothing more than an attack on the workingman to the benefit of his corporate masters.

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So we are really getting on Scorehead for providing too much for his kids? Seriously?

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Short answer? I don't want to.

But if we're talking about making the world a better place, I don't think it can realistically start with Scorehead or you or me. It has to start from the top. We're all taking our cues with regard to consumerism and accumulation from those above us. It's a philosophy that needs to be changed. That's why I find Sam Zell far more objectionable than Scorehead, who I simply find misguided.


Then why do you expect other to? It will always impact us and probably the most. Change in philosophy will not happen just because you take money away from a small portion of people.


It's not about taking money away. It's about establishing different values. Do you really think "I want this! I want that!" is good values? Of course, I sound hypocritical. I grew up in the same place and in relatively the same time as you did. I can't say I'm immune to the desire to accumulate that has been instilled in me by my culture anymore than anyone else is.

But I understand where I fit, Spaulding. For some reason you seem to identify with the very wealthy more than the homeless. My guess is that very few of us at CSFMB are more than 20 missed paychecks away from the street.

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So we are really getting on Scorehead for providing too much for his kids? Seriously?


No.

His lack of self awareness for his fellow men and women.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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But don't sit there and trumpet the foolish lie that the rich are morally better than others by virtue of their wealth which was only acquired via hard work.


wait a second...you seem to be taking a huge leap here
one minutes it's hard work = wealth

now you're saying they're "morally better" ? who ever said or implied that ?



Don't you think there's an implication in there that the rich are somehow morally superior? They worked harder. Work is good. You're poor, you're lazy, right?

The whole idea that the wealthy are superior is anti-American at its very core. This is an idea that began to be embraced some time in the Reagan administration. Aided by fictional welfare queens and other boogiemen. It's really nothing more than an attack on the workingman to the benefit of his corporate masters.


AMEN BROTHA!

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Thanks Hatchet. I was just going to ask if Sam Zell indeed had the silver spoon. Is it ok for Jerry Reinsdorf to leave money to his kids as he worked up from a poor Jewish kid in Brooklyn?



The question isn't whether it's okay. But don't sit there and trumpet the foolish lie that the rich are morally better than others by virtue of their wealth which was only acquired via hard work.



I am not the hard work guy. I am the keep your shit minus a charitable percentage guy. :wink:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Why don't you do that? Why don't you give up any or all luxuries?


Short answer? I don't want to.

All righty then.

No offense intended, if you feel that way, stop frickin talking about the evil competition for limited resources.
I like you man, I do, but jesus on a carousel, stop.

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but jesus on a carousel, stop.

:lol: Where do these come from?

This is crazy.

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Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
Why don't you do that? Why don't you give up any or all luxuries?


Short answer? I don't want to.

All righty then.

No offense intended, if you feel that way, stop frickin talking about the evil competition for limited resources.
I like you man, I do, but jesus on a carousel, stop.


We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

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JORR is a country club communist.

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JORR is a country club communist.


:lol: No doubt about it.

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So we are really getting on Scorehead for providing too much for his kids? Seriously?


No.

His lack of self awareness for his fellow men and women.

This is probably the first time Ive ever gone to make a post and saw that Seacrest beat me to it


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Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Why don't you do that? Why don't you give up any or all luxuries?


Short answer? I don't want to.

All righty then.

No offense intended, if you feel that way, stop frickin talking about the evil competition for limited resources.
I like you man, I do, but jesus on a carousel, stop.


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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.


:lol: :lol:

You are contradicting yourself from post to post JORR.

"They should share theirs!!!" --- "I won't share mine until they do."

"These big evil LLC's tsking advantage of us."---" Man just follows nature."

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Why don't you do that? Why don't you give up any or all luxuries?


Short answer? I don't want to.

All righty then.

No offense intended, if you feel that way, stop frickin talking about the evil competition for limited resources.
I like you man, I do, but jesus on a carousel, stop.


We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.


i understand what youre saying, you make it clear. with those inequality statistics out, we DO need to think about where we want to be as a society. do you want a few in power with the rest scrambling to survive, because "thats the way mother nature is".. or do you want to use the human mind god gave you to have a better life? (which is, gasp, also mother natures way).

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So we are really getting on Scorehead for providing too much for his kids? Seriously?


No.

His lack of self awareness for his fellow men and women.

This is probably the first time Ive ever gone to make a post and saw that Seacrest beat me to it



There are ways to increase your IQ so it happens again.

Thanks for the mad props.

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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

Well then fuckin practice what you preach... pay it forward whatever you want to call it but for the love of jesus on a jump rope stop villifying people for living their lives like you live yours. I don't get it.

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Wait a minute, I was told to buy the American Girl doll because Im not gonna end hunger with that money anyway


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Seacrest wrote:
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So we are really getting on Scorehead for providing too much for his kids? Seriously?


No.

His lack of self awareness for his fellow men and women.

This is probably the first time Ive ever gone to make a post and saw that Seacrest beat me to it



There are ways to increase your IQ so it happens again.

Thanks for the mad props.

My IQ is already too high. It would frighten you and others.


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but jesus on a carousel, stop.

:lol: Where do these come from?

This is crazy.

What you don't think Jesus would enjoy a carousel? I think he'd love it. I wouldn't want him at magic waters though. We don't need drunk kids running around.

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Seacrest wrote:
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Seacrest wrote:
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So we are really getting on Scorehead for providing too much for his kids? Seriously?


No.

His lack of self awareness for his fellow men and women.

This is probably the first time Ive ever gone to make a post and saw that Seacrest beat me to it



There are ways to increase your IQ so it happens again.

Thanks for the mad props.

rogers park bryan wrote:
My IQ is already too high. It would frighten you and others.



I don't scare that easily.

Chas and that other guy might though.

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Darkside wrote:
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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

Well then fuckin practice what you preach... pay it forward whatever you want to call it but for the love of jesus on a jump rope stop villifying people for living their lives like you live yours. I don't get it.



And btw, that Christianity thing was started by a Jewish carpenter guy that lived with his mom until he was 30.

Don't try telling us you can't make a difference yourself JORR. He didn't even have a message board and you have bigfan. Get on with it.

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Darkside wrote:
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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

Well then fuckin practice what you preach... pay it forward whatever you want to call it but for the love of jesus on a jump rope stop villifying people for living their lives like you live yours. I don't get it.


I'm not vilifying anyone. But it's certainly fair to ask, "Hey, we currently do things this way. Is there a better way we could do it?" When someone answers that question reflexively by thinking only about themselves, well, it's up to you to decide whether that makes them a villains.

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You are contradicting yourself from post to post JORR.

"They should share theirs!!!" --- "I won't share mine until they do."

"These big evil LLC's tsking advantage of us."---" Man just follows nature."


That's not right, Seacrest. . I don't have any answers. But I can see the way the deck is stacked. And yeah, you're right, I'm not going to live the life of a discalced friar just to prove a point.

Man doesn't have to follow his nature. Unlike other animals, he can reason.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

Well then fuckin practice what you preach... pay it forward whatever you want to call it but for the love of jesus on a jump rope stop villifying people for living their lives like you live yours. I don't get it.


I'm not vilifying anyone. But it's certainly fair to ask, "Hey, we currently do things this way. Is there a better way we could do it?" When someone answers that question reflexively by thinking only about themselves, well, it's up to you to decide whether that makes them a villains.

What?

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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

Well then fuckin practice what you preach... pay it forward whatever you want to call it but for the love of jesus on a jump rope stop villifying people for living their lives like you live yours. I don't get it.


I'm not vilifying anyone. But it's certainly fair to ask, "Hey, we currently do things this way. Is there a better way we could do it?" When someone answers that question reflexively by thinking only about themselves, well, it's up to you to decide whether that makes them a villains.

What?

CH has him so distraught he forgot the word "win".

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CH has him so distraught he forgot the word "win".

:lol: :lol:

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We have to make the world a better place together, Darkside. I'm not a saint. There are people here far more moral than I am, no doubt. I don't even look at it as "evil". Is a lion that eats his cubs "evil"? Man just follows his nature. Although he should be smarter enough to know better.

Well then fuckin practice what you preach... pay it forward whatever you want to call it but for the love of jesus on a jump rope stop villifying people for living their lives like you live yours. I don't get it.


I'm not vilifying anyone. But it's certainly fair to ask, "Hey, we currently do things this way. Is there a better way we could do it?" When someone answers that question reflexively by thinking only about themselves, well, it's up to you to decide whether that makes them a villains.

What?


Do you think we share the world's resources in the fairest, most efficient way possible? I'm not vilifying you because you have a house and someone else doesn't. But if your reflex is to answer that question with something akin to "Fuck you, I worked hard, Go get yours." you just might be a villain.

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