Well, don't be surprised when JORR runs your kids over or stabs you.

Do you think the answer to income disaparity is simply that the 99%ers should work as hard as the 1%ers?


That's really all this thread comes down to. Zell made a stupid comment.

As I said before, people should work hard, save money and do their best and it will take care of itself.

You may not become Sam Zell but you'll be happy and well adjusted.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said anything about anyone "simply getting lucky".

Let's go back to his quote: "“The 1 percent work harder..."

There are all kinds of people who are as smart as Sam Zell and who work just as hard or harder who are not anywhere near as wealthy. So obviously, his quote is false. And yeah, he did get lucky. So, I'm not ignoring his hard work as I don't doubt he worked hard. He's ignoring his luck.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

That's not true either. Happiness and being well-adjusted have nothing at all to do with how much money you save.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I said it seems like that, and it does. In the past few days, you've mentioned happening to know the right friends and a chance meeting with someone.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sure it does. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/saving-key-happiness-123053125.html

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Well, since he obviously isn't the smartest and/or hardest working guy in the U.S., doesn't it stand to reason that those things are more likely responsible for his success?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think he would have been a success no matter what. Maybe he wouldn't have been a billionaire but who cares? Being a billionaire is overrated anyways.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Do you agree that Zell's "work harder" statement is ridiculous and insulting?

It all comes down to your definition of working hard. People like Zell are highly motivated. They work hard to understand the financial portion of their business, which is key to understand whether you are a C-level executive or a bricklayer (no offense intended towards bricklayers). They work hard to acquire leadership skills, including how to listen, earning respect, learning how to influence, etc. Of the fifteen people I work with on a day to day basis at my pay grade, only one seems to be working on improving these skills. The others come in, work their eight hours and then leave. Finally, he works hard to stay an expert in his field. Again, some thing I see with the fifteen people I work with on a day to day basis. They work hard, but they far behind on the latest trends and practices. They can easily be replaced by a kid out of college and will be once the need arises.

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Smart doesn't paint the whole working harder picture. Its just one attribute.

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How much is enough, Rick? First you take away a billionaire's yacht, then you take away Spaulding's dishwasher.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If he's talking about the entire 99% then yes. If he's talking about those who do sit ins complaining about the 1% then he is less wrong.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Once again. Because somehow people like joor keep missing this.
Hard work is no guarantee of success. But it certainly improves the odds.
Success is not necessarily becoming a billionaire. It can be a modest home and decent amenities.
It's beyond obvious that hard work increases your odds of getting this level of success. It's obvious that if you don't work hard you diminish your odds.
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I'm not missing a goddam thing. A billionaire stated that he is a billionaire because he worked harder than you. There is also a definite implication in his statement that he is better than you. Either you accept that or you don't. If you do, instead of trying to argue with me, you should get working.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Assuming the non rich arent working hard enough is arrogant at best and dangerous at worst.

Who said that? You taking about Zell?

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Yes.

Zell said that.

OK.
This is silly.
I personally don't really give a rats Ass what a demented old fart says. Screw Zell. He's weird anyhow.

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OK. Well let's remove the absolutism from his statement.
In general would you not agree that with hard work and commitment to your craft comes dramatically increased odds of success.

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Its several factors. Commitment to your craft is just one aspect. Leadership skills and financial savvy are equal, if not more important, factors in climbing the ladder of success as Zell is implying.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Sure but that wasnt the topic of the interview.

The topic was "Why are the 1% vilified?" and Zell's immediate thought was that it was unfair and the 99%ers should work hard like the 1%

No one is arguing that hard work isnt virtuous and a part of success. That's pretty basic.


But to act like the difference between the 99% and 1% is hard work is ridiculous and insulting to all the non billionaires out there killing themselves to pay the bills

Why is that funny. You're so unbelievably hung up on one statement... I'm asking if he managed to be less of an Ass and worded himself better is he really that far off base

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Because this is a thread about his absolutist statement. "The 1% work harder..." He caught a bunch of breaks and is a billionaire and he looks down on you as you hustle your fucking ass off fixing heaters and go to school at night.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Well school is long over but he can look down on me all he wants. I consider myself quite successful. I really want for nothing.

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Off topic, but does anyone have any idea what the login/password is to Zell's annual Christmas video site? These are videos he sends to clients each year. I've seen a couple of these over the years and they're pretty interesting (no, I'm not one of his clients...).

http://www.yegsz.com/

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While money cant buy happiness, who would argue against being better able to provide for your family is better than not being able to provide? Financial problems, debt, & being over extended are some of the leading causes of divorce, depression, & addiction.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Money is a means to an end. If your end is to acquire the most money, you will never be happy because you will never have the most money. If your means to an end is happiness, then money shouldn't matter.

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