i agree in general...but i thought it was a decent shot, gotta give credit where it's due

That's fine. I don't want to truncate anyone's Second Amendment rights myself. Personally, I won't have a gun in my house since the numbers show that the odds of it killing me or someone I care about are immensely greater than ever using it successfully in a situation such as the one we're discussing. I just want to make sure we don't have any of the gun control guys cheering this.

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He eliminated the threat.

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is Jack Dempsey still alive ?

I never said that either. Are you trying to start an argument where there is none to be had?

I just want to make sure that guys who are anti-concealed carry don't applaud this just because it happened to be a cop who was carrying.

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So why are you quoting my posts and saying things like "how can you cheer this and be anti-concealed carry at the same time?"

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I quoted your post because you asked me a question. The second sentence was an explanation of what I meant. I have no idea about your thoughts on carrying concealed weapons. I thought that Nas and RPB were pro- gun control. I could be mistaken. In any case, I understand it's satisfying to see the bad guy get shot. But it probably doesn't work out so nice and neat nine out of ten times. And maybe some innocent person gets caught in the crossfire.

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He did what he felt he needed to do.

It may cross his mind later that he could have shot the kid somewhere else.

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"Pro gun-control" is such a vague phrase that I have no idea why you would use it to describe what you assume someone's position to be. I don't think Nas and RPB have ever said that all guns should be banned. I don't think a .50 cal MG should be legal to own. Maybe that makes me "pro-gun control".

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statistics prove that wrong though. in england, most muggings happen with knives or bats. criminals would use guns, but they are hard to find and expensive... and the punishment goes exponentially up for shooting someone. gun fatalities are like 3% of all homicides, most people over there basically never have to worry about having a gun pointed at them. and survival rate from knife and blunt force wounds are much better then being shot.

thing is, i also realize how bad the gun problem is in the us. it would be impossible to just ban them and take them all away at this point, at least impossible without causing violent mass riots. it going to take generations to phase them out... we just have to do it slowly so people can adjust (and grandpas can die). eventually, we will though. theyre simply too dangerous for modern society.

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The gun that kid was carrying appeared to be a big one.

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You shoot the kid somewhere else, that means there's a chance he might shoot back.

Your second point invalidates your first point. You cant just cite statistics without context. Because when you added the context with your second point, you explained why the two situations aren't comparable.

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I have voiced some anti gun type stuff. Never went so far to say they should be banned, but I was against concealed carry at first.

You are trying to get an argument.

I'm almost certain that both of them thought the shooting in the movie theater could have been avoided if concealed carry was illegal. Am I mistaken, gentlemen? I think the guy who got shot at the gas station richly deserved it. But if we're going to have everyone walking around armed, it's not just going to be obvious cases of justice being served like this one. Sometimes it's going to be a guy bullying an old man in a movie theater who gets shot.

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I'm not trying to get in an argument. I'm responding to the one that you started, by making this thread about concealed carry and "pro-gun control" advocates thoughts.

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Those are definitely relevant thoughts when we have guys who are on the record against concealed carry supporting a shooting- as justifiable as it may have been- that could not have occurred without concealed carry.

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He still was trying to shoot back. He kept trying to reach for the gun.

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No, JORR, never said or thought that about the movie shooting. Concealed carry wouldnt even apply to a retired cop, would it?


Anyway, it could have been avoided if the shooter wasnt an dumb angry asshole. But he was.

I never said they aren't relevant. But don't act like you weren't trying to take this thread in an argumentative direction. All I am doing is responding to the points you brought up.

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And sometimes you won't have clear video showing the altercation.

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yes if concealed carry is 100% legal there will be things like the movie theater incident, but I guess i just don't feel like it will devolve into the wild west, which is what it sound like you think . nothing will ever be perfect, but i am in favor of it

As much as I'm not losing any sleep over a rude asswipe getting shot in a theater after bullying what he thought to be a weak old man, I understand the situations aren't at all the same, and in this instance the shooting was far more justified. But I'm pretty sure you didn't think a guy should be carrying a gun in the theater, right? Why should cops have special rights to defend themselves?

And where the fuck is Darkside when I need him? He's always around to bust my balls when he's on the other side of an issue. Get off that HVAC call and back me up in defending the rights of ALL citizens to defend themselves, not just off-duty cops.

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I'm not against it.

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thank you for clarifying

Bullied The old man wanted a confrontation, which is why he told the guy "throw popcorn at me"

Anwyay...



I dont know if cops should but they do, so concealed carry doesnt apply.

I never said you should be allowed to bring a gun into a theater, just wondered why you'd need it. That crazy old retired bully changed my mind on that specifically. Its needed.

So you don't want to truncate anyone's second amendment rights but you're cool truncating their 1st amendment rights?
Got it.

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what are you talking about? no it doesn't. england didn't ban guns overnight... took a century of acts and amendments do get where they are. i did include context with my statistics. i think you mean cite my sources, but i dont feel like it. give me an F on this paper if you want to, it doesnt mean the contents are wrong.

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