It has worked. I don't doubt that. It's more for racial or gender related things though. It isn't really what drives a lot of the other changes. I must have missed all of these marijuana sit-ins or public marijuana events where pot smokers were getting clubbed and sprayed with hoses.

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Easily the most ridiculous thing you've ever written on this board.

Well, jaywalking is normally considered an infraction, but in some places it is considered a misdemeanor. So, that isn't exactly a fair comparison.
Yes.

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So am I free to pick and choose what laws I feel are "unjust" then?

You feel the same way as me. You wouldn't want me picking what laws I feel should be right or wrong either.

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In some places having weed is not even a crime.

What?

No, I dont feel being gay in russia is wrong. I dont feel driving into the city without notifying police is wrong and a bunch of other laws.


Just because I can see gray areas doesnt mean Im advocating a lawless society.


There are many activities that would be illegal that are not "wrong"

I cant believe you even typed that. Id say you're just trolling but I dont think you are.


I mean, were black people drinking out of whites only fountains "wrong"?

red doesnt see any color, or shades of grey. it can only see black and white.

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FF, I dont know about civil disobedience. That works on true morally unjust laws (civil rights, voting etc). I think if you wanted to have a sit in to get heroin legalized we would get laughed at.

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That's true. It wouldn't be an issue then.

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You understand that some illegal activities are not "wrong" on any level, correct?

Well I appreciate the honesty, but it seems like you are the one who has a problem with people speaking their opinions on matters, not I.

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By some people, sure. But if thousands of people were doing it in a consolidated effort, it would no longer be a joke. Plus I would never do heroin. That shit is bad for you.

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They are wrong on some level, that level being the legal status and the potential consequences for those actions.

I find it interesting that you mentioned previously about not seeing things in "black and white" and yet you want to use the term "wrong" in a way that is "black and white".

I view growing and using marijuana in places where this action is prohibited on the same level of "wrong" as underage drinking or violating open container laws. I don't think this guy is a bad person or should be going to jail for 30 years.

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i remember when i was 16 a cop who was arresting me for weed ask me a question, all serious and blunt. best part was what led him to ask the question.

cop- "why are you out here doing this in public?"
me- "we are in a park. we didn't want to be driving, and we felt this is the safest place to do this"
cop- "dont you have someones house to go to?"
me- "no, this is illegal"


then he asked me the question- "are you a moral person?"

i replied "yes" and he gave me the most confused look i have ever seen. come to think of it, i think his badge said "BRick".

to this day, im still trying to figure out what man made laws have to do with being moral....

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I think that is the point. You need thousands of people supporting your cause and it needs to be just. I think drugs should be legalized but I dont think that message plays well in the mainstream of society. Its not like most people think it should be and the cause just needs to be out in the open.

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Your question was phrased poorly. The only answer to that question that I could make was "yes". It would be like if I asked "Do you have a problem with me thinking that murder and rape should be legal?". I have strong objections to heroin and crystal meth being legal. I don't have those objections for marijuana which puts it on a different level.

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I phrased the question the exact same way you phrased it to me, which I agree is poorly-worded. I also strongly object to the idea that "breaking the law has at least some degree of being wrong to it", but I wouldn't necessarily say I have a problem with you having that opinion. I do think you having that opinion is just as dangerous as I'm sure you think all drugs being legal would be.

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heroin would be different because doctors would be firmly against it. medical marijuana is supported by most doctors

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Doctors wouldn't be firmly against it. What do you think morphine is?

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First of all there is a gray area in regards to right and wrong. Its just some "crimes" are completely righteous



Secondly, this is why you get the Ward Cleaver shit. I think most people on either side of the marijuana debate would look at this and think "well that was a bad decision and not at all worth the risk/danger"

Your first instinct was to point out marijuana is still illegal

I just don't get your thinking on this subject.

I know youre for legalization but you come off like someone who has a very specific reason for keeping it illegal. As if profits depend on it.

No. They are completely different topics. My question was about allowing people to ignore laws they find "unjust". Yours was about a specific law.

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I hate to do this to you, because I normally respect your posting style, but I'm done responding to you or anyone that plays this card.

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You must be misunderstanding again. Your question was about a specific law, the marijuana law(s) in Texas...


And my question was basically the same exact question, except modified to include all drugs...

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No, I said "laws of Texas". However, I will clarify. My stance is about laws in general, and that is why it has included so many other laws in the discussion.

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That's fine, but it really doesn't make the two questions any different. Both of us think that the other's opinions can be somewhat dangerous to society. So in a sense I have a problem with your opinion, but I don't have a problem with you having that opinion, if that makes any sense. Everybody should be allowed to have and state their opinions on any given topic, IMO.

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Fair enough. Forget the perception. If you were a complete stranger I'd ask "Why was your first instinct to point out its legality as opposed to how terrible a decision and not worth the risk it was?"

So, let me make this clear:
You think that people shouldn't be able to violate any law they find "unjust". Is that correct?

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Rick what if they went in like this on a bunch of teenagers drinking?

Would your first post have been "well they WERE breaking the law"

It's because I think it was important to keep in mind especially when you used the term "peaceful citizen" to describe him.

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Ok.

I meant more like peaceful at the time aka no imminent danger but i dont think selling weed is non peaceful