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And the Cosby played a Doctor. So not at all "the dumb guy"

He was a doctor - but the interactions with everybody in his family made him look "dumb". He was the punchline for Claire's smooth, pretty, smart character. She was the boss in the house and he was just another child that did what she said.

Nah, they were equal. There were times where he acted childish, but the character was often presented as smart and not deferring to his wife on any topic outside of pizza toppings


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Claire was way too good for Cliff. Let's be honest here. She was smoking hot.

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If you want the oafish dumb guy then Donald Logue on Grounded for life is your guy. Dude was hilarious on that show that no one other than me watched. Kevin James is a shit show compared to him.

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Jenny McCarthy is a whack-job, but a very well assembled whack-job...

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And the Cosby played a Doctor. So not at all "the dumb guy"

He was a doctor - but the interactions with everybody in his family made him look "dumb". He was the punchline for Claire's smooth, pretty, smart character. She was the boss in the house and he was just another child that did what she said.

Nah, they were equal. There were times where he acted childish, but the character was often presented as smart and not deferring to his wife on any topic outside of pizza toppings

I'm talking about the Cosby Show with Theo and Rudy and Vanessa. Claire treated him and talked to him like he was a damn fool.

He shoulda skee-bop-a doodly-bopped his way out the door and into an upgrade at the wife position. He had to have met lots of hot, young, willing to marry a divorced doctor type of ladies at his job. Plus he could have known what they looked under the hood ahead of time which is always a plus.

Plus Claire was younger and better looking - like most sitcoms.

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Jenny McCarthy is a whack-job, but a very well assembled whack-job...

Why the hell was I watching her last night on Wahlburgers where she is Donnie Wahlberg's girlfriend. Urlacher to New Kids on the Block...glorious.

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No more dumb old dad: Changing the bumbling father stereotype
By Josh Levs, CNN
updated 7:20 AM EDT, Fri June 15, 2012


James Avery, who died at 68 on December 31, portrayed one of the most beloved fictional dads on TV as "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air's" Philip Banks. With his combination of heart, humor and awesome sweater collections, Avery's Uncle Phil is one of our favorite TV dads. James Avery, who died at 68 on December 31, portrayed one of the most beloved fictional dads on TV as "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air's" Philip Banks. With his combination of heart, humor and awesome sweater collections, Avery's Uncle Phil is one of our favorite TV dads.



(CNN) -- There's a movement under way among dads in America that's changing what you see on TV.
Across the country, more and more are fed up -- and rising up against the stereotype of the inept, clueless father.

"We're not the Peter Griffin or the Homer Simpson that we're often portrayed as," said Kevin Metzger, who runs the Dadvocate blog.
It's often the chief gripe among the dads I interview about modern fatherhood.

Dads to media: We're not idiots! Dads pick TV's best fathers

David Holland, father of three, rails against "doofus dads" in ads. In his blog Blather. Wince. Repeat., he calls them "Madison Avenue's go-to guy."
During every commercial break, he says, he and his wife "try to see who can be the first one to spot the idiot husband or father."

In a sign of their growing power, dads out to end the stereotype recently scored a knockout blow against a pair of TV ads.

A Huggies ad earlier this year said the company put its diapers "to the toughest test imaginable: dads, alone with their babies, in one house, for five days."

What exactly made time with dad "the toughest test imaginable?" The ad showed dads making some unpleasant faces and ended with a woman saying, "good luck, babe."

Another Huggies ad featured a group of dads not changing their babies' diapers while watching an entire game through "double overtime."

Angry dads and moms responded with complaints, saying fathers aren't incompetent parents who leave their kids in dirty diapers.

Chris Routly took it a step further, creating a petition on change.org.
"This wasn't just that they had created a bumbling dad character or that sort of thing or just excluding dad," like so many other TV portrayals, he said. "They were using language that was really saying dads are terrible at this stuff."

Huggies took action.
On Facebook, the company praised dads and said its intention was to "break out of stereotypes." And Huggies officials called Routly, giving him a list of steps they were taking to show fathers in a better light.

Soon, Huggies issued new ads featuring dads caring for their toddlers. Last month, the NYC Dads
Group heaped praise on them for "raising the bar" in how a father was portrayed.
Huggies isn't the first to run into frustration from consumers rejecting what they view as an outdated, inaccurate trope. AT&T angered some with an ad about a father who somehow couldn't wrap his mind around the concept of wireless Internet.
The image of the hapless dad has long roots in American pop culture. A study of comics as far back as the 1940s found "incompetent" fathers and other mocking portrayals resurging at times across the decades.

But TV didn't start skewering dads frequently until much later, says Bob Thompson, director of the Bleier Center for Television and Popular Culture at Syracuse University.
While dads in "Leave It to Beaver" and "The Donna Reed Show" had flaws, they were close to what was then thought of as "perfect," part of an idealized white American family. Later, shows such as "The Cosby Show," "Family Ties," "Growing Pains" and "Full House" showcased caring dads of a new generation, Thompson says.


But by the late 1980s, more shows wanted to distance themselves "from the corny, syrupy stuff" -- and in stepped shows such as "Married With Children" and "The Simpsons."
It's only natural that comedies would take on dads, Thompson says.

"Comedy is about inversion -- taking people who are in authority and control and making them the butt of jokes." So in a society "that has been so dominated by men... comedy is naturally going to play against that."

Dads on TV today are presented in so many different ways that it's impossible to say things are getting better or worse, he says.

From the stay-at-home dad in "Up All Night" to the lovable dads in "Modern Family," relatively positive portrayals abound. Thompson says the growing push for "recognizable" dads who reflect today's realities are probably to credit for these characters.

Meanwhile, dramas such as "Game of Thrones" and "Mad Men" show such bad fathers that "you'd beg social services" to put their children in a foster home with Al Bundy, he jokes.
Plus, thanks to modern media, people now can always create their own videos about dads and, sometimes, watch them go viral.
To some, the idea that anyone would be upset over this stereotype is ridiculous.
Huggies' Facebook page has hundreds of posts from women and men saying they found the original ads funny. "The problem these days is everyone has lost their sense of humor," Christine Lee wrote.
And every group of people -- including moms -- gets caricatured and stereotyped on TV.
Do some dads just need to lighten up?
No, says Chris Routly. There's a growing rejection of stereotypes in general -- and that should apply to dads as well, he argues.
He's also concerned that boys and men "see the bumbling dad ... and think that's what's expected of them," the stay-at-home father of two told me by phone while baking chips for his kids out of kale from his garden. "They're not expected to be good, so they rise to the low bar that's set for them."
And it can lead girls and women to have low expectations for how their husbands will handle fatherhood, he says.
Part of the problem, Routly says, is that a lot of people believe negative stereotypes really apply to far more dads than they do.
I ran into that myself last year. A column on CNN.com by a stay-at-home father complained that "most" dads "just wanna chill in front of SportsCenter with a bowl of chips" after work and complain to their stay-at-home wives about how hard they work. On his blog, the writer railed against the "millions of dads who view their days at home as recovery from work."
I responded with a long list of studies showing how well dads are actually doing, including this from Pew Research: "Almost all fathers who live with their children take an active role in their day-to-day lives through activities such as sharing meals, helping with homework and playing."
While by far most of the responses I received were positive, some were from angry people insisting the negative depictions must accurately describe the average dad.
Routly says he received hate mail after launching his petition. "There are people who are so invested in maintaining these kinds of roles and stereotypes that they felt like they needed to attack me."
But he also heard from men thanking him and sharing stories of custody battles and judges who assumed they weren't as good at parenting simply because they're men.
While there's seriousness behind their complaints about the stereotype, these dads insist they can take a joke.
"By and large, men are willing to laugh at themselves," says Holland. "But there just becomes a point where you say, 'OK, the first 400 of these were funny.' "
And Thompson of the Bleier Center, himself a dad, says he enjoys laughing at these depictions, which exaggerate characteristics of some fathers, even today.
"As long as there are clueless bumbling men there will be clueless bumbling dads," he says. "I'm sure there were clueless bumbling cavemen. Actually, his name was Fred Flintstone!"


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If you don;t think King of Queens is funny then you don't like...........stuff.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But you dont like Seinfeld


What is it about King of Queens that's funny? The extremely over done Husband=Big Dumb animal Wife=Smart, hot, but somehow married a big dumb animal?

That also describes Seinfeld, minus the marriage part. Dumb, oaf-ish guys that do/say dumb things that don't really happen in real life.



That's called a "sitcom".


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He was "caring" because he had kids - but he was portrayed as the lesser, dumber of the couple.

Kevin and Carrie tried to have kids but couldn't because they had to sleep in the guest bedroom with the noisy fax machine and kept getting interrupted by his annoying parents. Those crazy Heffernan's. :lol:

But at least they didn't spill spicy seafood soup in Doug and Carrie's bed like crazy Arthur. :lol:

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I'd love to hear how Kramer and Costanza weren't portrayed as complete morons on that show.

Think I'll be waiting a while.

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spanky wrote:
He was "caring" because he had kids - but he was portrayed as the lesser, dumber of the couple.

Kevin and Carrie tried to have kids but couldn't because they had to sleep in the guest bedroom with the noisy fax machine and kept getting interrupted by his annoying parents. Those crazy Heffernan's. :lol:

But at least they didn't spicy seafood soup in Doug and Carrie's bed like crazy Arthur. :lol:

He was not portrayed as Dumb old dad no matter how much you want it to fit the argument. It's pretty well documented and been talked about as one of the reasons the show had so much success


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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He was "caring" because he had kids - but he was portrayed as the lesser, dumber of the couple.

Kevin and Carrie tried to have kids but couldn't because they had to sleep in the guest bedroom with the noisy fax machine and kept getting interrupted by his annoying parents. Those crazy Heffernan's. :lol:

But at least they didn't spicy seafood soup in Doug and Carrie's bed like crazy Arthur. :lol:

He was not portrayed as Dumb old dad no matter how much you want it to fit the argument. It's pretty well documented and been talked about as one of the reasons the show had so much success

I said he was portrayed as the dumber and "lesser" half of the parents.

He was. Just like every single sitcom I have ever seen.

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I'd love to hear how Kramer and Costanza weren't portrayed as complete morons on that show.

Think I'll be waiting a while.

The main idea of the show wasnt "look at how dumb this guy is"


It was more "look at these people and their quirks or look at these jerks"



The dumb old dad stereotype is well known and there is a ton of information on it. You will not find references to Seinfeld, Cosby or any other show I mentioned in them, because they dont apply.


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spanky wrote:
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He was "caring" because he had kids - but he was portrayed as the lesser, dumber of the couple.

Kevin and Carrie tried to have kids but couldn't because they had to sleep in the guest bedroom with the noisy fax machine and kept getting interrupted by his annoying parents. Those crazy Heffernan's. :lol:

But at least they didn't spicy seafood soup in Doug and Carrie's bed like crazy Arthur. :lol:

He was not portrayed as Dumb old dad no matter how much you want it to fit the argument. It's pretty well documented and been talked about as one of the reasons the show had so much success

I said he was portrayed as the dumber and "lesser" half of the parents.

He was. Just like every single sitcom I have ever seen.

You can keep repeating it. It remains untrue.
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He was a doctor - but the interactions with everybody in his family made him look "dumb". He was the punchline for Claire's smooth, pretty, smart character. She was the boss in the house and he was just another child that did what she said.

Everything after Doctor is wrong

He was never portrayed as dumb with the kids and he frequently got the upper hand on Claire.

They were equal.

Its well documented by people who study these things.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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If you don;t think King of Queens is funny then you don't like...........stuff.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But you dont like Seinfeld


What is it about King of Queens that's funny? The extremely over done Husband=Big Dumb animal Wife=Smart, hot, but somehow married a big dumb animal?


You obviously don't watch the show. Jerry Stiller, a guy who has been mainstream funny for pretty much our entire lives, owns the show as much as anyone

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rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
If you don;t think King of Queens is funny then you don't like...........stuff.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But you dont like Seinfeld


What is it about King of Queens that's funny? The extremely over done Husband=Big Dumb animal Wife=Smart, hot, but somehow married a big dumb animal?


You obviously don't watch the show. Jerry Stiller, a guy who has been mainstream funny for pretty much our entire lives, owns the show as much as anyone

Ive watched a few episodes. The fact that one of the side characters owns the show doesnt change the fact that Kevin James is playing the traditional big dumb idiot married to the hot wife.


Its pretty much the NY version of According to Jim


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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
If you don;t think King of Queens is funny then you don't like...........stuff.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But you dont like Seinfeld


What is it about King of Queens that's funny? The extremely over done Husband=Big Dumb animal Wife=Smart, hot, but somehow married a big dumb animal?Ive watched a few episodes.


You obviously don't watch the show. Jerry Stiller, a guy who has been mainstream funny for pretty much our entire lives, owns the show as much as anyone
The fact that one of the side characters owns the show doesnt change the fact that Kevin James is playing the traditional big dumb idiot married to the hot wife.




Its pretty much the NY version of According to Jim


Your 2nd 50000 posts are not starting out too well. Don't even think of comparing those two shows! The KOQ had a whole cast that was hysterical. Everybody shared in the comedy,even Doug & Carries work friends were funny. The weird Camera angles used on the show (EX: Dougs watching a Hot Pockets cook in a microwave from INSIDE the microwave while his house was being gassed for bedbugs.) were not the norm on other shows. The comedy was broad and loud but also a lot of clever lines were written for that crew. Seinfeld most of the time was nonsense where the whole point of the show was to play an absurd game of connect the dots at the end.

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First of all, dont tell me how to post until you learn how to quote


Secondly, you're right. According to Jim was better


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Comparing 'King of Queens' to 'Seinfeld' is comparing a Lite Brite to a 4th of July fireworks show ... I mean, sure, you can do it, but you're probably going to get a lot of shit for it, and rightfully so at that.

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You obviously don't watch the show. Jerry Stiller, a guy who has been mainstream funny for pretty much our entire lives, owns the show as much as anyone
Jerry Stiller also owned several Seinfeld episodes.

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First of all, dont tell me how to post until you learn how to quote


Secondly, you're right. According to Jim was better



I screwed up a quote,big deal. At least I can see funny when I'm watching it.

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Leah Remini is not hot she is fat.



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rogers park bryan wrote:
First of all, dont tell me how to post until you learn how to quote


Secondly, you're right. According to Jim was better



I screwed up a quote,big deal. At least I can see funny when I'm watching it.

:lol:

Me and most of the world disagree with you


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Leah Remini is not hot she is fat.



at one time she was:


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rogers park bryan wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
First of all, dont tell me how to post until you learn how to quote


Secondly, you're right. According to Jim was better



I screwed up a quote,big deal. At least I can see funny when I'm watching it.

:lol:

Me and most of the world disagree with you


10 years on tv...i think most of the world agrees with me.

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jimmypasta wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
First of all, dont tell me how to post until you learn how to quote


Secondly, you're right. According to Jim was better



I screwed up a quote,big deal. At least I can see funny when I'm watching it.

:lol:

Me and most of the world disagree with you


10 years on tv...i think most of the world agrees with me.

Really? You think most of the world believes King of Queens is better than Seinfeld?


Really, James?


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