But that has nothing to do with being illegal. In fact, most illegals I know want to be licensed and have insurance. They don't want to play Russian roulette with the life they've built in this country. And all kinds of citizens drive uninsured.

We need to make the process of getting here legally a whole lot easier. Should take less than a day. If you're not a felon in your previous country, you're in.

But that has nothing to do with being illegal. In fact, most illegals I know want to be licensed and have insurance. They don't want to play Russian roulette with the life they've built in this country. And all kinds of citizens drive uninsured.

I dont know why you would not believe Conns

Because I know cops who have taken in Mexicans without licenses.

Isn't having insurance and being licensed also an "arbitrary law"? Are you also against those things?

This would not be sustainable for any country.

If illegal immigrants are going to stay here, they should have to follow the same ridiculous set of laws and regulations as the rest of us.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Well, use that big Purdue brain of yours for a minute and ask yourself, "Hmmmmm, are those laws designed to give someone an advantage over someone else or are they truly for the benefit of society?"

It has everything to do with being illegal. They dont have identities to protect or care about, so they dont. I dont know your personal stories but for every well meaning immigrant doing it the right way, I know one who knowingly games the system. Maybe I just have met a bad bunch.

I realize this is personal for you right now. But I think you're really painting broadly here, as if most Mexicans come here to commit crimes, game the system, and drive recklessly. The reality is they're in a very precarious position and the majority of them just want to keep a low profile to raise their families and be left alone.

Of course it would.

I realize this is personal for you right now. But I think you're really painting broadly here, as if most Mexicans come here to commit crimes, game the system, and drive recklessly. The reality is they're in a very precarious position and the majority of them just want to keep a low profile to raise their families and be left alone.

the reality is that they have nothing to lose.

Absolutely it is. Immigrants grow economies.

This is always the worst argument. We don't want to do them because they pay so poorly because of the huge amount of illegal immigrants. [/b][/b] These are scary times in the future for a lot of people. Permanent unemployment seems to be on the horizon for many and yet we still let a system operate which allows for American citizens to be undercut by those who shouldn't be allowed here and we keep out those who are willing to try and come here and do it the right way.

One of the worst bits of political idiocy has been how the Democrats have somehow made being against illegal immigration a bad thing. 100% of American citizens should be against illegal immigration. It shouldn't even be an argument. It only hurts our country. It does not help it at all and it creates situations like Bryan's family has to now deal with. It's also used as a tool of the rich to keep the rest of the country down. That's ultimately what keeps true logical reform from happening, along with the politicization of an issue that realistically shouldn't be politicized.

I realize this is personal for you right now. But I think you're really painting broadly here, as if most Mexicans come here to commit crimes, game the system, and drive recklessly. The reality is they're in a very precarious position and the majority of them just want to keep

This is ridiculous. Illegal immigrants should be in the process of getting legal or they're gone. That shouldnt even be an argument.


And now Im the big bad guy because Im saying these people should follow our laws

This is ridiculous. Illegal immigrants should be in the process of getting legal or they're gone. That shouldnt even be an argument.


And now Im the big bad guy because Im saying these people should follow our laws

Absolutely it is. Immigrants grow economies.

And JORR, how am I even painting broadly?

Im just giving you personal experiences. Same as you. I know a lot of "good" illegal immigrants too. They are fine. The ones that commit crimes or dont follow our laws need to go and that has nothing to do with the previously mentioned "good" ones

Illegal Alien was a great Genesis song.

I don't see anyone calling you a bad guy here.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Well, JORR says im painting broadly and acting like they're all criminals. I dont think Ive done that.

Nas seemed surprised at how I "really feel"


As Rick said, if you have a problem with illegal immigration, youre painted as heartless and often times racist.

JORR,
What laws do you think are valid and worth enforcing?

Can we all at least agree that a driver who plows into somebody else and then leaves the scene of that accident is a huge douchebag?