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Genesis keyboard player very underrated. See I don't even know his name. :lol:

As the resident Genesis expert , In sure Tony Banks appreciates the compliment

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I personally don't feel like illegal immigrants should be here, if they want to become a US citizen then I am perfectly fine with them coming on board, but if not I am sorry.


Plus everyone goes on and on about how much they help the economy yet no one wants to address all the money that is lost from the system because they send it home. I posted a link last year about some journalist who looked at three big cities with large consecrations
of Illegals. They found from just those three cities there was a loss of about $120 billion. That is a lot of money that stayed in the American economy would help our recovery. That is just one ethnic group. I wonder how much is sent from all illegals.

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What laws do you think are valid and worth enforcing?


I have my views, but I'd prefer to answer your question by saying I think the vast majority of people are legally selective. So-called conservatives more than anyone else.


JORR,
That is not an answer.Please give us a couple

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What laws do you think are valid and worth enforcing?


I have my views, but I'd prefer to answer your question by saying I think the vast majority of people are legally selective. So-called conservatives more than anyone else.
Do you think we should have any immigration laws besides the obvious "No convicted foreign criminals"?

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This is ridiculous. Illegal immigrants should be in the process of getting legal or they're gone. That shouldnt even be an argument.


And now Im the big bad guy because Im saying these people should follow our laws

I don't see anyone calling you a bad guy here.

Well, JORR says im painting broadly and acting like they're all criminals. I dont think Ive done that.

Nas seemed surprised at how I "really feel"


As Rick said, if you have a problem with illegal immigration, youre painted as heartless and often times racist.


I don't think you're a bad guy. I never said anything close to that.

I didnt say you said im a bad guy. I think youre kind of painting me as insensitive though. Im not acting like they are all criminals. Im just saying the ones that are should be dealt with.


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chaspoppcap wrote:
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JORR,
What laws do you think are valid and worth enforcing?


I have my views, but I'd prefer to answer your question by saying I think the vast majority of people are legally selective. So-called conservatives more than anyone else.


JORR,
That is not an answer.Please give us a couple


I don't think morals = laws. Forget about the legal status of certain immigrants for a minute. Why is it that you are worried about them? Are your concerns based in morality?

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I had to hire engineers in my previous job. It is a giant pain in the ass to get the needed foreign help from Germany, Switzerland, Italy, India and so on. Quotas, lawyers and costs out the ass.

Why can no one be honest and say the only immigration problem there is is about the southern border? Yet all these caring people wnt to fix it and let the nice people stay and deport criminals and blah, blah, blah. Yet the POTUS refuses to enforce existing law and congress fights over the new law because others squawk about securing border (both ways).

Follow the votes and the money.

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?

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I had to hire engineers in my previous job. It is a giant pain in the ass to get the needed foreign help from Germany, Switzerland, Italy, India and so on. Quotas, lawyers and costs out the ass.

Why can no one be honest and say the only immigration problem there is is about the southern border? Yet all these caring people wnt to fix it and let the nice people stay and deport criminals and blah, blah, blah. Yet the POTUS refuses to enforce existing law and congress fights over the new law because others squawk about securing border (both ways).
Follow the votes and the money.


Yes they do:

http://roygermano.com/2011/03/18/how-many-illegal-immigrants-live-in-the-united-states-and-where-do-they-come-from/

We need to fix our borders not just for the wanna be legal illegals but also terrorism drug flow. If we make pot legal wanna bet the border will be sealed very easy. You will see a lot of anti pot anti put the fence on the border guys switch real fast.

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.

I guess it's possible she had outstanding warrants but people aren't getting out of a car and then running because they don't have insurance.

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chaspoppcap wrote:
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I had to hire engineers in my previous job. It is a giant pain in the ass to get the needed foreign help from Germany, Switzerland, Italy, India and so on. Quotas, lawyers and costs out the ass.

Why can no one be honest and say the only immigration problem there is is about the southern border? Yet all these caring people wnt to fix it and let the nice people stay and deport criminals and blah, blah, blah. Yet the POTUS refuses to enforce existing law and congress fights over the new law because others squawk about securing border (both ways).
Follow the votes and the money.


Yes they do:

http://roygermano.com/2011/03/18/how-many-illegal-immigrants-live-in-the-united-states-and-where-do-they-come-from/

We need to fix our borders not just for the wanna be legal illegals but also terrorism drug flow. If we make pot legal wanna bet the border will be sealed very easy. You will see a lot of anti pot anti put the fence on the border guys switch real fast.

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I am so not getting involved in this one.

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RPB, maybe that woman just had an emergency to take care of. Like she had to get home to help her friend who was ready to kill herself because she could never become a banker.

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?

This is what Im talking about.

No, not her ethnicity. More the fact that she couldnt speak english, had no drivers license and fled the scene of an accident because the other motorist wouldnt agree to "no police"


But I guess we cant make any logical assumptions


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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.

I guess it's possible she had outstanding warrants but people aren't getting out of a car and then running because they don't have insurance.

So it was the broken English?

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.

I guess it's possible she had outstanding warrants but people aren't getting out of a car and then running because they don't have insurance.

So it was the broken English?
"No police" isn't what I would call proper English.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.

I guess it's possible she had outstanding warrants but people aren't getting out of a car and then running because they don't have insurance.

So it was the broken English?


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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?

This is what Im talking about.

No, not her ethnicity. More the fact that she couldnt speak english, had no drivers license and fled the scene of an accident because the other motorist wouldnt agree to "no police"


But I guess we cant make any logical assumptions


The American way would be just fleeing the scene of an accident without saying anything?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.

I guess it's possible she had outstanding warrants but people aren't getting out of a car and then running because they don't have insurance.

So it was the broken English?
"No police" isn't what I would call proper English.


So it was the fact she didn't speak proper English?

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.

I guess it's possible she had outstanding warrants but people aren't getting out of a car and then running because they don't have insurance.

So it was the broken English?


cmon, you can troll better than that...


I'm not trolling

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So it was the fact she didn't speak proper English?
That was one of the reasons. It wasn't the only one. The fact that she got out of the car and felt the need to turn it into a hit and run when the police were going to be called is the biggest reason though. You don't risk a hit and run charge simply because you don't have insurance.

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friend of mine, worked in downtown DC. got run over by a car running a red light in the crosswalk. almost killed her. nobody bothered to hang around and help police identifying the car that hit her. dozens of people. nobody had the time. now she's disabled for life. great world we live in.

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So it was the fact she didn't speak proper English?
That was one of the reasons. It wasn't the only one. The fact that she got out of the car and felt the need to turn it into a hit and run when the police were going to be called is the biggest reason though. You don't risk a hit and run charge simply because you don't have insurance.


Why do Americans flee the scene of an accident everyday?

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I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.


I'd assume it was my business partner or one of his friends. They're from Glenview.

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Why do Americans flee the scene of an accident everyday?
I'd assume because they are afraid that there will be larger repercussions. I would guess being drunk or high if the reason is not being afraid of being deported or having outstanding warrants.

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I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.


I'd assume it was my business partner or one of his friends. They're from Glenview.

Are they in this country illegally?

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The process of becoming a legal citizen in a nice infographic.

http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/what-part-of-legal-immigration-dont-you-understand_50290c8272a8d.jpg

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Why do Americans flee the scene of an accident everyday?
I'd assume because they are afraid that there will be larger repercussions. I would guess being drunk or high if the reason is not being afraid of being deported or having outstanding warrants.


So there are a variety of reasons why someone that "appears" to be American may flee the scene of an accident?

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I had to hire engineers in my previous job. It is a giant pain in the ass to get the needed foreign help from Germany, Switzerland, Italy, India and so on. Quotas, lawyers and costs out the ass.

Why can no one be honest and say the only immigration problem there is is about the southern border? Yet all these caring people wnt to fix it and let the nice people stay and deport criminals and blah, blah, blah. Yet the POTUS refuses to enforce existing law and congress fights over the new law because others squawk about securing border (both ways).

Follow the votes and the money.


To me this is kind of kicking at the heart of it. We need more white immigration, less brown and black immigration.

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To me this is kind of kicking at the heart of it. We need more white immigration, less brown and black immigration.



Not really what I was implying. I was pointing out that there is a process and it does not appear to work along the southern border. I assume it is economic opportunity as you said Jorr or we also would be overrun with Canadians.

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Why do Americans flee the scene of an accident everyday?
I'd assume because they are afraid that there will be larger repercussions. I would guess being drunk or high if the reason is not being afraid of being deported or having outstanding warrants.


So there are a variety of reasons why someone that "appears" to be American may flee the scene of an accident?
Yeah, what is your point?

All we are doing is speculating on what illegal activity this woman was involved in that forced her to get out of the car. Maybe she was drunk or high. Maybe she was a criminal with outstanding warrants.

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