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I had to hire engineers in my previous job. It is a giant pain in the ass to get the needed foreign help from Germany, Switzerland, Italy, India and so on. Quotas, lawyers and costs out the ass.

Why can no one be honest and say the only immigration problem there is is about the southern border? Yet all these caring people wnt to fix it and let the nice people stay and deport criminals and blah, blah, blah. Yet the POTUS refuses to enforce existing law and congress fights over the new law because others squawk about securing border (both ways).

Follow the votes and the money.


To me this is kind of kicking at the heart of it. We need more white immigration, less brown and black immigration.
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This is a great infographic and shows just how unfair illegal immigration is. It's virtually impossible for many people to come here legally because of how many people come here illegally.

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There it is! You have now called Bryan and me racists!


Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?

This is what Im talking about.

No, not her ethnicity. More the fact that she couldnt speak english, had no drivers license and fled the scene of an accident because the other motorist wouldnt agree to "no police"


But I guess we cant make any logical assumptions


The American way would be just fleeing the scene of an accident without saying anything?

No, the responsible way would have been to call police and file a report, just like most people do.

If you think broken english + No police, no license + leaving the scene of an accident doesnt suggest illegal immigrant, then you're just being purposely obtuse.


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Why do Americans flee the scene of an accident everyday?
I'd assume because they are afraid that there will be larger repercussions. I would guess being drunk or high if the reason is not being afraid of being deported or having outstanding warrants.


So there are a variety of reasons why someone that "appears" to be American may flee the scene of an accident?
Yeah, what is your point?

All we are doing is speculating on what illegal activity this woman was involved in that forced her to get out of the car. Maybe she was drunk or high. Maybe she was a criminal with outstanding warrants.


Just trying to understand when it's okay to use racial stereotypes. How would you determine if a black teen was a thug? Would it be based on the way he talks or dresses or would it be his choice of music?

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There it is! You have now called Bryan and me racists!


Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.
Our immigration is inherently unbalanced based on geography. That is just a problem. It's not racist to think that someone from Australia, or Europe, or Africa, or Asia, or South America should have the same opportunity as countries that are geographically closer.

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Is it, JoeOrr? I haven't read every single post in this read, but I've read most of them and I don't see where anybody has even hinted at the ethnicity of this driver or anybody else.

Nas, nobody mentioned her race. She couldn't speak English and left the scene of an accident she caused. She could have been any number of races.

Given that she was a woman and caused an accident, I just assumed she was Asian.

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Follow the votes and the money.


To me this is kind of kicking at the heart of it. We need more white immigration, less brown and black immigration.

No, we need more legal immigration. The color doesnt matter.


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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?

This is what Im talking about.

No, not her ethnicity. More the fact that she couldnt speak english, had no drivers license and fled the scene of an accident because the other motorist wouldnt agree to "no police"


But I guess we cant make any logical assumptions


The American way would be just fleeing the scene of an accident without saying anything?

No, the responsible way would have been to call police and file a report, just like most people do.

If you think broken english + No police, no license + leaving the scene of an accident doesnt suggest illegal immigrant, then you're just being purposely obtuse.


No I'm not. Americans from all walks of life do this daily. Your assumption says a lot.

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Is it, JoeOrr? I haven't read every single post in this read, but I've read most of them and I don't see where anybody has even hinted at the ethnicity of this driver or anybody else.

Nas, nobody mentioned her race. She couldn't speak English and left the scene of an accident she caused. She could have been any number of races.

Given that she was a woman and caused an accident, I just assumed she was Asian.


I don't know what here race is either. I just know she was racially stereotyped.

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If you think broken english + No police, no license + leaving the scene of an accident doesnt suggest illegal immigrant, then you're just being purposely obtuse.


No I'm not. Americans from all walks of life do this daily. Your assumption says a lot.
Not the broken English part.

How was she racially stereotyped? We don't know her race. I didn't know it was possible to racially discriminate against somebody without knowing their actual race or ethnicity.

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Just trying to understand when it's okay to use racial stereotypes. How would you determine if a black teen was a thug? Would it be based on the way he talks or dresses or would it be his choice of music?
I wouldn't judge a black teen unless I saw them doing something illegal just like I wouldn't judge a white teen unless I saw them doing something illegal.

Also, "Broken English" isn't a racial stereotype. White people can speak broken English too. That describes many of my holiday dinners.

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Just trying to understand when it's okay to use racial stereotypes. How would you determine if a black teen was a thug? Would it be based on the way he talks or dresses or would it be his choice of music?
I wouldn't judge a black teen unless I saw them doing something illegal just like I wouldn't judge a white teen unless I saw them doing something illegal.

Also, "Broken English" isn't a racial stereotype. White people can speak broken English too. That describes many of my holiday dinners.

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If you think broken english + No police, no license + leaving the scene of an accident doesnt suggest illegal immigrant, then you're just being purposely obtuse.


No I'm not. Americans from all walks of life do this daily. Your assumption says a lot.
Not the broken English part.

How was she racially stereotyped?


She was considered an illegal immigrant based on her English.

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She was considered an illegal immigrant based on her English.
That was part of the whole picture. She caused an accident, admitted she didn't have a license, and when "somebody" was going to be called, she fled.

Why are you choosing to focus only on the English part? I deal with electricians that have accents all the time. I don't automatically assume they are here illegally.

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There it is! You have now called Bryan and me racists!


Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.



No he is calling me one. And it is BS. My experience is shown by the graph.

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The great irony here is that Nas is stereotyping immigrants more than any of us.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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She was considered an illegal immigrant based on her English.
That was part of the whole picture. She caused an accident, admitted she didn't have a license, and when "somebody" was going to be called, she fled.

Why are you choosing to focus only on the English part? I deal with electricians that have accents all the time. I don't automatically assume they are here illegally.
If I did the same thing I wouldn't have been considered to be an illegal immigrant. Maybe RPB and Rick would have used other racial stereotypes to describe me.

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That doesn't answer the question of why you are only focusing on her speaking English poorly.

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The great irony here is that Nas is stereotyping immigrants more than any of us.


No I'm just shinning a light on the unfortunate beliefs of some here.

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The great irony here is that Nas is stereotyping immigrants more than any of us.


How so?

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No I'm not. Americans from all walks of life do this daily. Your assumption says a lot.

Yes, my assumption says that I can use common sense to make logical assumptions.

Furthermore, the fact that 1 or 2 % of something exists, doesnt mean the other 98 or 99 are not the majority. Its simple math.

And no, Americans from all walks of life dont propose illegal dealings thru broken english and then run away when the person doesnt agree.


So here we are. An obviously (to any objective person) illegal immigrant hits and runs, I say that criminals should be deported and Im the villan.

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That doesn't answer the question of why you are only focusing on her speaking English poorly.


BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THEY BELIEVE SHE WAS HERE ILLEGALLY. Have you read this thread?

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She was considered an illegal immigrant based on her English.
That was part of the whole picture. She caused an accident, admitted she didn't have a license, and when "somebody" was going to be called, she fled.

Why are you choosing to focus only on the English part? I deal with electricians that have accents all the time. I don't automatically assume they are here illegally.
If I did the same thing I wouldn't have been considered to be an illegal immigrant. Maybe RPB and Rick would have used other racial stereotypes to describe me.

So now not speaking english is a negative stereotype about immigrants?

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Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.



No he is calling me one. And it is BS. My experience is shown by the graph.


I'm not calling you a racist either. I'm just pointing out that there isn't a real immigration problem. There's a Mexican "problem". I don't think your viewpoint is an outlier.

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No I'm not. Americans from all walks of life do this daily. Your assumption says a lot.

Yes, my assumption says that I can use common sense to make logical assumptions.

Furthermore, the fact that 1 or 2 % of something exists, doesnt mean the other 98 or 99 are not the majority. Its simple math.

And no, Americans from all walks of life dont propose illegal dealings thru broken english and then run away when the person doesnt agree.


So here we are. An obviously (to any objective person) illegal immigrant hits and runs, I say that criminals should be deported and Im the villan.

Awesome.

Commonsense says someone who doesn't speak proper English is here illegally? I hope I never have that type of sense.

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No I'm just shinning a light on the unfortunate beliefs of some here.
Why is it a racial stereotype to think someone who speaks English poorly may not be an American citizen?

In this scenario, I think that is more likely than here having a warrant out for her arrest.

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She was considered an illegal immigrant based on her English.
That was part of the whole picture. She caused an accident, admitted she didn't have a license, and when "somebody" was going to be called, she fled.

Why are you choosing to focus only on the English part? I deal with electricians that have accents all the time. I don't automatically assume they are here illegally.

Because the other details undercut his whole premise.


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She was considered an illegal immigrant based on her English.
That was part of the whole picture. She caused an accident, admitted she didn't have a license, and when "somebody" was going to be called, she fled.

Why are you choosing to focus only on the English part? I deal with electricians that have accents all the time. I don't automatically assume they are here illegally.
If I did the same thing I wouldn't have been considered to be an illegal immigrant. Maybe RPB and Rick would have used other racial stereotypes to describe me.

So now not speaking english is a negative stereotype about immigrants?

Is this a joke?


So racial profiling is okay.

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Commonsense says someone who doesn't speak proper English is here illegally? I hope I never have that type of sense.
Well, she could have been a murderer too.

There was clearly some reason she couldn't deal with the police.

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