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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:49 pm 
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...And I'm the bad person because I criticize Israel's government and their recent history of alienating people's human rights?




that's not even in the team picture of reasons why you're a bad person.

how do you go about "alienating" people's human rights? Is Israel selling their human rights? or making their human rights feel unwelcome?

I'm not a bad person.

I'll change my sentence. They are alienating a group of people by interfering with their human rights, and pretending it is justified. And alienating might be an understatement.

They've committed borderline genocide in two wars that were unacceptable to the global community.

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But the large group of people are all criminals.

Not because they're here, because they broke the law.

Sure.

But they didn't hit your mother's daughter's car.

Create a different thread about your hatred for people doing whatever they feel is necessary to better their lives.

Or turn this thread into that and stop bringing up what happened between one irresponsible jackass of a woman and your daughter's mother's car.

Then I'm going to start an entire thread douchebagging single parents because I know of one single parent that is terrible.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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a small and bigoted approach toward illegal immigrants.

If an illegal commits a felony, s/he should be deported. If an American citizen commits a felony s/he should be put in jail or otherwise prosecuted.

Please explain to us how either of those points of view is bigoted in any way, shape, or form.



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We as a country have invited illegal immigration across our southern borders since at least 1980. We have applied a band aid, or little to no aid , in keeping out folks from Mexico most specifically.

They have done jobs that many other Americans have no interest in doing. Shit, there are people here that have been unemployed that wouldn't take these types of jobs under any circumstances.

Now after years of tacit approval with a struggling economy of our own, we want to break up families and ship the parents of kids back to where they came.

It's morally unconscionable for our government to do this.
Thank you for the history lesson, professor.

But other than that....what the hell are you babbling about? I'm not talking about raiding Illegal's homes and taking them out by the busload. RPB's point was-- and I agree with him-- that if an illegal immigrant commits a felony, he should be deported. Regardless of if he goes to prison or is shipped back to whatever country he came from, that family is going to be broken up, correct? And that is a consequence of his own action, not the Governments.

Take notice Franks has a good point here.
Is it "morally unconscionable" for our government to lock up a serial killer because it would break up the family? Please.

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What laws do you think are valid and worth enforcing?


I have my views, but I'd prefer to answer your question by saying I think the vast majority of people are legally selective. So-called conservatives more than anyone else.


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That is not an answer.Please give us a couple


I don't think morals = laws. Forget about the legal status of certain immigrants for a minute. Why is it that you are worried about them? Are your concerns based in morality?


Chas hates Mexicans, because they want to come over here and work hard, while he wants to sit on his ass and whine, while collecting a check from the gubment. If they are here, he is even more useless.

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I figured that title would go to Seacrest.

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But the large group of people are all criminals.

Not because they're here, because they broke the law.

Sure.

But they didn't hit your mother's daughter's car.

Right but they committed some crime, they arent innocent.


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Create a different thread about your hatred for people doing whatever they feel is necessary to better their lives.

I dont hate groups. And I fully support anyone trying to better their lives thru legal means.

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Then I'm going to start an entire thread douchebagging single parents because I know of one single parent that is terrible.

That wouldnt be the same thing.

If you started one called "Negligent single parents" or "Criminal single parents" then you'd be fine.

The part about them being criminals matters.


You're acting like I started a thread sayiing "deport all illegal immigrants"

My first sentence was that Im talking about people who break laws.


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Someone should tell IMU he has agreed with me.

No - because I don't think RPB is somehow different than what I thought. I'm not pretending this thread should open anybody's eyes about him. In his anger, he made some assumptions. Poor assumptions...but they may be correct and sometimes when you're heated you don't think things through all the way. If he waited a day to post the topic, he wouldn't have posted the same thing.

I also don't think 100% of white folks have racist tendencies.

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I had to hire engineers in my previous job. It is a giant pain in the ass to get the needed foreign help from Germany, Switzerland, Italy, India and so on. Quotas, lawyers and costs out the ass.

Why can no one be honest and say the only immigration problem there is is about the southern border? Yet all these caring people wnt to fix it and let the nice people stay and deport criminals and blah, blah, blah. Yet the POTUS refuses to enforce existing law and congress fights over the new law because others squawk about securing border (both ways).
Follow the votes and the money.


Yes they do:

http://roygermano.com/2011/03/18/how-many-illegal-immigrants-live-in-the-united-states-and-where-do-they-come-from/

We need to fix our borders not just for the wanna be legal illegals but also terrorism drug flow. If we make pot legal wanna bet the border will be sealed very easy. You will see a lot of anti pot anti put the fence on the border guys switch real fast.


As usual, you are all over the place. Ray Germano believes that guest worker programs are more effective than building a fence, which is what you have supported in the past.

You are arguing against yourself, genius.

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.


If a white guy said "no police", your first thought would be that he was here illegally? Mine would be that he has a warrant out for his arrest.

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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?

This is what Im talking about.

No, not her ethnicity. More the fact that she couldnt speak english, had no drivers license and fled the scene of an accident because the other motorist wouldnt agree to "no police"


But I guess we cant make any logical assumptions


Chas gets his ass kicked by the English language on a daily basis, and I believe that he was born here.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
You're acting like I started a thread sayiing "deport all illegal immigrants"

My first sentence was that Im talking about people who break laws.

Ummm...buddy...

You've just said all illegal aliens are breaking a law by being illegal aliens.

And then there was this on page 1...

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Well I certainly don't think we should let the criminals stay.


WYC?

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As the resident Genesis expert

I figured that title would go to Seacrest.


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Chus wrote:
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Have we established that the woman was here illegally or are we still making assumptions based on her ethnicity?
The assumptions aren't based on ethnicity. I'd assume a white guy was here illegally if he was saying "no police" and then ran when they thought the police may show up.


If a white guy said "no police", your first thought would be that he was here illegally? Mine would be that he has a warrant out for his arrest.
If he had "broken English" I certainly would think there is a good chance he is here illegally.

I can't believe I'm getting grief for thinking there are illegal immigrants who aren't Mexican.

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There it is! You have now called Bryan and me racists!


Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.


I don't care who comes here legally as long as they
1) Learn the fucking language. One of the things that pisses people off is that we now have to basically have bi-lingual society because the majority of people coming here illegally don't bother.

2) America is a melting pot,we accept all. Like Bill Murray said" We are the wretched refuse. Our forefathers got kicked out of every decent country." So come here be part of this great experiment just remember it is a give and take you can not take without giving something back. You are not in your country so no matter what the fucked up laws and traditions where there you want to be an American you give those up and respect and obey our equally fucked,just in a different way,laws and traditions.

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There it is! You have now called Bryan and me racists!


Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.

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I don't care who comes here legally as long as they
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America is a melting pot,we accept all. Like Bill Murray said" We are the wretched refuse. Our forefathers got kicked out of every decent country." So come here be part of this great experiment just remember it is a give and take you can not take without giving something back. You are not in your country so no matter what the fucked up laws and traditions where there you want to be an American you give those up and respect and obey our equally fucked,just in a different way,laws and traditions.



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You're acting like I started a thread sayiing "deport all illegal immigrants"

My first sentence was that Im talking about people who break laws.

Ummm...buddy...

You've just said all illegal aliens are breaking a law by being illegal aliens.

No, I never said that. In fact....


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And then there was this on page 1...

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Well I certainly don't think we should let the criminals stay.


WYC?

This gem on page one was disagreeing with BadRogue who said they are all criminals.


The whole point of naming the thread Criminal Illegal Aliens was to separate the criminals from the ones that are just not legal yet.

Certainly my assumptions can be questioned, but Ive never said they are all criminals.


Oh and here's the ENTIRE post you quoted


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So the non criminal illegal aliens are ok? aren't they all criminal just by the fact they are in the country you know, illegally?

Well I certainly don't think we should let the criminals stay. If people want to get legal then I think they should be able to stay


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It seems a lot of people are arguing as if the thread title was "Illegal Aliens"


I thought putting criminal would make that clear.


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I'm not a bad person.

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You got banned from this place, ergo, you should probably be deported.

I don't think the Palestinians liked the Israelis even before Israel started taking away their land and stepping on their human rights. Alienation suggests they were once buddies. It'd be like the mouse trying to persuade the cat not to eat the mouse on the basis of the crimp it'd throw into their relationship.

Palestinians will only have their land liberated and rights restored at the barrel of a gun--the same mechanism by which they lost that land and those rights.


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You got banned from this place, ergo, you should probably be deported.


living in Schaumburg might be a worse fate...


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There it is! You have now called Bryan and me racists!


Nope. But for many people that is the code of immigration discussion. I quoted the post. At least some people would prefer to trade some immigrants for others.

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Do you read what you type before you hit submit?

I don't think he does:
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I am so not getting involved in this one.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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So the non criminal illegal aliens are ok? aren't they all criminal just by the fact they are in the country you know, illegally?

Well I certainly don't think we should let the criminals stay. If people want to get legal then I think they should be able to stay

Just wanna make sure everyone sees this unedited post of mine from page 1.

Seems many people missed it or chose to ignore it


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RPB, could you describe what the term illegal means? Also, what do you call someone that breaks a law?

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RPB, could you describe what the term illegal means? Also, what do you call someone that breaks a law?
You should be apologizing to rpb for that unfair misquoting job you did on him.

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RPB, could you describe what the term illegal means? Also, what do you call someone that breaks a law?

I dont think being here illegally is enough of a crime to deport someone.

Did you really not understand the post I made to BadRogue where I explained people who break laws other than being here illegally is who I was talking about?

I think you understood it, but were already dug in, so you edited out the part of my post that explained it and presented half a post as a full one.


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RPB, could you describe what the term illegal means? Also, what do you call someone that breaks a law?
You should be apologizing to rpb for that unfair misquoting job you did on him.

Yeah, no shit.

I mean, Ive said enough here to criticize me, dont need to edit things to make them seem worse.


Its clear to everyone besides IMU that I meant people who break laws above and beyond just being here.

We worked all that out on page 1


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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So the non criminal illegal aliens are ok? aren't they all criminal just by the fact they are in the country you know, illegally?

Well I certainly don't think we should let the criminals stay. If people want to get legal then I think they should be able to stay

Are these the words of a man who thinks anyone here illegally should be deported?


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RPB, could you describe what the term illegal means? Also, what do you call someone that breaks a law?
You should be apologizing to rpb for that unfair misquoting job you did on him.

I did not misquote him. I quoted the pertinent sentence.

I guess at this point RPB just needs to list what unlawful practices are acceptable and unacceptable for illegal aliens. By them being in the country...they are already driving without a license...paying no taxes, etc.

But even though those things are crimes...RPB is okay with those.

I'm trying to find out how many crimes, and which crimes, need to be committed by an illegal alien before they are viewed in a bad light. Is this the same amount of crimes for an illegal alien compared to a citizen? Are there any other factors?
rogers park bryan wrote:
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So the non criminal illegal aliens are ok? aren't they all criminal just by the fact they are in the country you know, illegally?

Well I certainly don't think we should let the criminals stay. If people want to get legal then I think they should be able to stay

Are these the words of a man who thinks anyone here illegally should be deported?

Maybe the woman who hit your daughter's mom's car was just about to become legal. Maybe she was a week or two away, and she knew this would fuck up her chances. Maybe she really wanted to be legal so she thought this was the best course of action to stay on the path. Is she now forgiven?

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If she was trying to get legal, running from the scene of an accident wouldnt help her case.


And yes, you purposely misquoted me and took out relevant info that proves your theory wrong.


And what do you mean "pay no taxes"? They pay taxes. And many of them have licenses. You're assuming a lot of things that arent true.



I think people here illegally who are convicted of felonies should be deported.

The ones who break no laws (other than immigration status)should be able to stay

Ive been clear on that, since page one.


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If she was trying to get legal, running from the scene of an accident wouldnt help her case.

It does if she gets away with it.

But I may be giving too much credit for intelligence to someone who runs away from the scene of an accident. This person could just be crazy stupid and wasn't thinking straight.

An illegal alien getting paid under the table is certainly not reporting his income to Uncle Sam. I can assure you of this. Paying income tax is just as required as paying a sales tax (depending on a state and municipality's local laws)

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