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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:49 pm 
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I guess at this point RPB just needs to list what unlawful practices are acceptable and unacceptable for illegal aliens. By them being in the country...they are already driving without a license...paying no taxes, etc.

But even though those things are crimes...RPB is okay with those.

I'm trying to find out how many crimes, and which crimes, need to be committed by an illegal alien before they are viewed in a bad light. Is this the same amount of crimes for an illegal alien compared to a citizen? Are there any other factors?
I'm not rpb but I'd view anyone in a bad light who doesn't pay taxes though most illegal immigrants do pay the taxes they can.

I'm not sure driving without a license would qualify. However, when someone who is unlicensed causes an accident like this I'd probably view them in a bad light. It is even worse if they turn it into a hit and run.

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What is there to torch


Are you against enforcing laws on criminals?


Not according to the Democrats in power.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:51 pm 
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Ok, Ive made my points clear

I think we should offer immigrants who are already here a simple way to become citizens.


I think we should be very hard (deportation) on those who are here illegally and then commit felonies on top of that.


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Got a question that many here are overlooking.
Here in Illinois illegals can get drivers permits/licences. So if she is here illegally she has not fulfilled the requirements to get one?
Also,if this happened in Chicago proper she would not have to worry about her status because Chicago is a fucking sanctuary city as decreed by Daley a year or so before he left office. Police are not allowed to ask someones status or if they do find out there are illegal to inform or turn them over to INS.

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Which is worse,

1) Family member getting hit by an allegedly fleeing illegal immigrant,
2) 16 pages defending yourself from the onslaught of the CSFMB

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Moral of the Thread: If you see someone who seems to be some sort of immigrant doing something illegal and fleeing from the police, don't speculate they are probably not here as a citizen or a documented worker. Instead, suspect they have an outstanding warrant, probably for murder, but certainly something much worse than a hit and run. Then, you won't be racist or a jerk.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:07 pm 
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Another patently false statement made to try and prove a small and bigoted approach toward illegal immigrants.

Chas has nothing on you.


Yeah explain how wanting people to follow the laws that have been on the books for close to 200 years
Fuck Frank don't help me you will just make yourself hated

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Because more people have been deported in the last five years than any other time in history. Some of whom are picked up in traffic stops and shipped out of the country without ever seeing their families again. It's sad, and very true.

And I personally believe that our country has turned a blind eye to much of what has gone on near out southern borders.

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We as a country have invited illegal immigration across our southern borders since at least 1980. We have applied a band aid, or little to no aid , in keeping out folks from Mexico most specifically.


Okay man. I want facts on this shit. Your belief is not proof that they where invited here. If you are talking Fed govt I call you on it except for this administration as they are suing states who are trying to enforce border security.
Every time Repubs want to improve the Southern Border they get called racist and all kinds of shit.
The Dems ,yeah they want a lax border,see NAFTA,The Immigration act of 1986.
I mean 1986 was supposed to be the end all to our immigration policy.

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Yeah explain how wanting people to follow the laws that have been on the books for close to 200 years
Fuck Frank don't help me you will just make yourself hated
Leave me out your attempted debates.

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1) Learn the fucking language.


The irony.

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Moral of the Thread: If you see someone who seems to be some sort of immigrant doing something illegal and fleeing from the police, don't speculate they are probably not here as a citizen or a documented worker. Instead, suspect they have an outstanding warrant, probably for murder, but certainly something much worse than a hit and run. Then, you won't be racist or a jerk.


I'm assuming that was directed at me. I didn't say that at all. You are the one that figured that they were illegal. I said that having an outstanding warrant, is another potential reason for fleeing. Do you really think that is false?

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Fuck Frank don't help me you will just make yourself hated


Can you go 24 hours without playing the victim card?

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Okay man. I want facts on this shit. Your belief is not proof that they where invited here. If you are talking Fed govt I call you on it except for this administration as they are suing states who are trying to enforce border security.
Every time Repubs want to improve the Southern Border they get called racist and all kinds of shit.
The Dems ,yeah they want a lax border,see NAFTA,The Immigration act of 1986.
I mean 1986 was supposed to be the end all to our immigration policy.


I wish an illegal immigrant would break into your place, and steal your computer.

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Would it really be stealing if the illegal was taking stuff that was already stolen in the first place?

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Chus wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Moral of the Thread: If you see someone who seems to be some sort of immigrant doing something illegal and fleeing from the police, don't speculate they are probably not here as a citizen or a documented worker. Instead, suspect they have an outstanding warrant, probably for murder, but certainly something much worse than a hit and run. Then, you won't be racist or a jerk.


I'm assuming that was directed at me. I didn't say that at all. You are the one that figured that they were illegal. I said that having an outstanding warrant, is another potential reason for fleeing. Do you really think that is false?
It wasn't directed at you specifically. Others mentioned there are other more serious reasons she could have chosen to flee. I was simply pointing out that rpb probably would have been treated better if he suspected she was a murderer with an outstanding warrant rather than an illegal immigrant.

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I guess assumimg shes illegal is bigoted. I never thought of it that way but maybe its correct

Ill have to consider that before i assume next time.

I was just beimg honest with my thinking


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I guess assumimg shes illegal is bigoted. I never thought of it that way but maybe its correct

Ill have to consider that before i assume next time.

I was just beimg honest with my thinking
It isn't bigoted though. It could be wrong but it isn't bigoted unless of course you think illegal immigrants are of one race. The circumstantial evidence does make it more likely than anything else that she ran for fear of being deported. You shouldn't have to apologize for thinking that was the likely cause. You may have been wrong, but I'm not exactly going to cry for a person who does a hit and run being incorrectly thought of as an illegal immigrant.

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Someone should tell IMU he has agreed with me.

No - because I don't think RPB is somehow different than what I thought. I'm not pretending this thread should open anybody's eyes about him. In his anger, he made some assumptions. Poor assumptions...but they may be correct and sometimes when you're heated you don't think things through all the way. If he waited a day to post the topic, he wouldn't have posted the same thing.

I also don't think 100% of white folks have racist tendencies.


Then you wonder why I generally ignore your trolling. I guess this is your way of getting out in front of me possibly calling someone racist. Fact is I rarely call anyone racist. Ignorant? Yes

I've never said I expect anyone to look at RPB differently and I've never said I would.

Of course I haven't called anyone racist nor have I ever said 100% of white people or any group of people are racists or anything else.

As I said before you're in agreement with me. If that makes you uncomfortable then maybe you'll have to reconsider your views.

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I should have just dbd hit and run drivers


Im biased in this case because I am currently dealing with what I consider to be over regulation of citizens. So when I see someone who is ignoring these regulations and getting away with it, it bothered me. Its not an immigrant thing. If a rich high school kid did it i would have dbd rich high school kids who dont have to follow laws.


My issue was with people who dont follow laws and i blamed it on immigrants who dont follow laws. The immigrants who break the law should get no more sympathy or blame than anyone else


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I hope you're having a great day and I hope all is well in your life.

You as well.

But you did say you'd now maybe wonder what RPB would say if you and him got into an argument.

You didn't wonder before? Or have you now changed how you think he would respond in an argument?
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I should have just dbd hit and run drivers


Im biased in this case because I am currently dealing with what I consider to be over regulation of citizens. So when I see someone who is ignoring these regulations and getting away with it, it bothered me. Its not an immigrant thing. If a rich high school kid did it i would have dbd rich high school kids who dont have to follow laws.


My issue was with people who dont follow laws and i blamed it on immigrants who dont follow laws. The immigrants who break the law should get no more sympathy or blame than anyone else

This was a good post.

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Not sure what happened to them. I can tell you that my truck bumper was never fixed. We sold the truck in the fall.

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I'm not rpb but I'd view anyone in a bad light who doesn't pay taxes...


Unless they hired lobbyists and had friends in Congress passing laws so they didn't have to.

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I'm not rpb but I'd view anyone in a bad light who doesn't pay taxes...


Unless they hired lobbyists and had friends in Congress passing laws so they didn't have to.
They pay sales taxes, and that counts right?

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Another patently false statement made to try and prove a small and bigoted approach toward illegal immigrants.

Chas has nothing on you.


Yeah explain how wanting people to follow the laws that have been on the books for close to 200 years
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RPB's post here has nothing to do with following laws.

You are currently working based upon something you have posted.

Where you fraudulently collecting disability previously? If so why?

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Because more people have been deported in the last five years than any other time in history. Some of whom are picked up in traffic stops and shipped out of the country without ever seeing their families again. It's sad, and very true.

And I personally believe that our country has turned a blind eye to much of what has gone on near out southern borders.

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We as a country have invited illegal immigration across our southern borders since at least 1980. We have applied a band aid, or little to no aid , in keeping out folks from Mexico most specifically.


Okay man. I want facts on this shit. Your belief is not proof that they where invited here. If you are talking Fed govt I call you on it except for this administration as they are suing states who are trying to enforce border security.
Every time Repubs want to improve the Southern Border they get called racist and all kinds of shit.
The Dems ,yeah they want a lax border,see NAFTA,The Immigration act of 1986.
I mean 1986 was supposed to be the end all to our immigration policy.


The Immigration Act of 1986 was bipartisan and backed by that Reagan guy.

If you believe that we can drone strike people across the world from a computer in CO, yet lack the ability to guard our own borders, then I've got an English Composition book that you want to buy.

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This was posted since lunchtime today regarding immigration.

Educate yourself chas. And btw, I'm guessing at some point your family were immigrants.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julian-go ... 03558.html

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Moral of the Thread: If you see someone who seems to be some sort of immigrant doing something illegal and fleeing from the police, don't speculate they are probably not here as a citizen or a documented worker. Instead, suspect they have an outstanding warrant, probably for murder, but certainly something much worse than a hit and run. Then, you won't be racist or a jerk.


I'm assuming that was directed at me. I didn't say that at all. You are the one that figured that they were illegal. I said that having an outstanding warrant, is another potential reason for fleeing. Do you really think that is false?
It wasn't directed at you specifically. Others mentioned there are other more serious reasons she could have chosen to flee. I was simply pointing out that rpb probably would have been treated better if he suspected she was a murderer with an outstanding warrant rather than an illegal immigrant.


Only a moron would attack RPB for thinking it was an illegal.

The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about [b]11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 21% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America[/b]

How many wanted murderers are in the Unites States? :roll:


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Do tell Juiced. How many murderers are there from other countries?

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I guess assumimg shes illegal is bigoted. I never thought of it that way but maybe its correct

Ill have to consider that before i assume next time.

I was just beimg honest with my thinking
It isn't bigoted though. It could be wrong but it isn't bigoted unless of course you think illegal immigrants are of one race. The circumstantial evidence does make it more likely than anything else that she ran for fear of being deported. You shouldn't have to apologize for thinking that was the likely cause. You may have been wrong, but I'm not exactly going to cry for a person who does a hit and run being incorrectly thought of as an illegal immigrant.


It's wrong. It really is that simple. I understood anger was probably the reason RPB posted what he did. We know by now that you have a hard time admitting that you were wrong about anything. You'll just try to take the debate in a different direction. I'm sure that's probably gotten you far in life. Maybe one day you'll step back and realize why the assumption you made was wrong and offensive.

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