I reacted to someone else so it appeared I only credit one person. Right or wrong if it is on a president's watch it gets put on them (see Obama blaming Bush only for 2007-8). Anyone with a brain understands the complexity of our economy. I think complex is the most common word I mentioned in the entire minimum wage thread.

Either way I do appreciate that a simple opinion on comparing recession recoveries has led to this great inquisition of Pittmike. Now you all have more understanding to the inner working of my schizo head and have plety of ammo.

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Well that Bmac is the very definition of the complexities. Are there not sects of the Dem movement that the main would rather have go away?

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He's an idiot. We agree there
It was clearly proven that both Dem and GOP groups were "targeted", and every damn one of them was skirting the law to begin with ,
Even the House committee is now saying this is debunked,
Which you can't really bitch about unless you are also yelling as loudly for a repeal of the Patriot Act as you do about Obamacare



See how we could get the wrong impression?
It's kinda like the RW blogs yesterday that were tripping over themselves to proclaim the new Scott Walker stuff was "old news" and "we've already been through this stuff" and then their next story was "Hillary shouldn't be Pres cause Bill got a hummer in 1996!!!!"

It helps to try and stay true to your independence.

I don't excuse Bush for a lot of things, but people have to remember he had 9/11 dumped in his lap. 9/11 didn't happen because people hated Bush. 9/11 happened because certain Muslims hated America. In fact, the planning of the attacks began during the administration of the beloved Clinton.

Once 9/11 happened (and we are kidding ourselves if we believe the basic plan could have been prevented indefinitely), Bush was given the imperative to make sure it wouldn't happen again. So he spent a lot of money and infringed a lot of civil liberties toward that goal. A lot of stuff went off the rails and Cheney's ties to defense contractors certainly didn't help the perception, but I don't know what else people expected Bush to do at the time. Pittmike is right that the economy rebounded tremendously, until the housing crisis.

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Oh absolutely. Main stream Dem's are shaking in their boots at Liz Warren right now.

A realistic 3rd party would be the best thing to ever happen to this country.

I wanted him to invade the right country. But that's just me.

Bmac,

The IRS thing is a problem and it doesn't make it ok if both left and right were targeted. Bengzhai was not debunked the report said the blame lays at the department Hillary ran and furthermore don't even try to get out from under the whole Susan Rice it was a video crap when they all knew what happened.

Either way I am tired of this for now. I am going to enjoy the second duel as I am a right wing redneck rebel flag waving racist W blowing guy.

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I can see that, but Saddam brought it on himself. He was sponsoring suicide bombers and evading UN weapons inspectors. Turns out he may have been bluffing in order to make his regional enemies think he had more capabilities, but it's risky to play that game.

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Don't bother Jawbreaker lest you are willing to take your turn at the witch trials.

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not bad.

Oh Saddam had it coming eventually. I didn't agree at the time and I don't agree to this day about how we did it. I was all for going and getting the bastards that hit us on 9/11. I sat in my buddy's living room with beers and steaks to throw on the grill as soon as we saw that "green shit" on the screen that we had all seen during the Gulf War directed at the responsible parties. But the Iraqis were not the responsible parties.

In your job do you ever take shortcuts to make things more efficient? (and no this is not just an exercise to be a dick)

Obviously #BENGHAZI is going to get us yelling at each other so I won't even continue down that road.

Actually not... Taking shortcuts in funded scientific research causes a ton of shit to come down. Shortcuts in govt is normal.

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Mmmmhmmmm

Libertarians go a little too far for me.

I certainly respect the ideology of Libertarians. I'm not one, but the thought of it is intriguing and I wish I could bring myself to believe that such little amount of government would work. It would be great if I thought it could. I simply don't. And I'm okay with people who do.

It just seems that there are many who use the term "Libertarian" because it's in style or something. I see people on Facebook who list "Libertarian" as their political affiliation and then go on to post things about how we need to bomb other countries or put more resources into public workers. They don't even know what a Libertarian ideology is. I guess it's the same as a lot of political "leanings", but I see it more with Libertarianism. For the most part, the people on this site who claim to be Libertarian (FavreFan, Reason, Denisdman) are the "real deal", pittmike notwithstanding.

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It is very annoying. And we also have to deal with the Alex Jones like psychos more than the mainstream parties do, it seems. It's easy to sort through them. Anyone posting links from NaturalNews you can just cross off the "take seriously" list.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

bingo. although i'm not really into the whole label thing anyway...it always seems to scream "me me me!" ("I'M a vegan", "I'M a liberal", "I'M a christian")...OHHHH GOOOOOD FOR YOU!

Topless....T-O-P-L-E-S-S...no problem with that?

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

when you get here, you'll do it.

You'll do it.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

she sounds like she's immature though.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

i'm on fire. may day may day.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way