The funny thing is I know I will not be satisfied once (if?) the killer is revealed, whoever it may be. No payoff is going to be able to match what I've been building up in my head.

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I re-watched episodes 1-5 this weekend and saw episode 6 last night. I have a theory that I am working on.

The real Rustin Cohle was in fact killed as an undercover FBI agent. The Rust that we see is a member of a rival gang to the bikers or a member of that devil cult all led by the Yellow King. He has taken the slain FBI's agent's place. Rust has to be evil. LaDeux, LaDeux's partner, and several other people have noted that Rust is evil. Rust gets very upset when the Pharmacy killer mention the yellow king.

It is strange that no where do we ever see someone who is related to Rust. I think the entire line about his father and family is a lie. He seems to have inserted himself into this unit to take out rivals to the Yellow King's gang. Dora Lang was a cover merely to get to LaDeux. Rust knew that Dora Lang would lead him to LaDeux because Lang's ex-husband and LaDeux were cell mates. What is the chance that Dora Lang happens to die two weeks after Rust joins the force? He caused that death and then led Marty to the Olivea (sp?) girl, which makes the LaDeux connection. LaDeux of course is the drug cook for a rival gang to the Yellow King.

The whole tear your face off thing makes me think that Rust transformed into the slain FBI agent.

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I still believe marty n rust are tighter than what marty been saying to the police ..both them dudes been feeding a lot of bullshit n half truths from the beginning to them. I also think Rust bangs Maggie ...marty is pissed n they have a brief falling out .

Still no sign of anyone with a scarred up face..still think the yellow king is yet to be revealed .Marty pulls some quality trim in this show again!

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many hot women, many hot scenes

I was a few minutes behind on the show and at 9 it flipped off because my wife was taping BOTH Dallas and Downton Abbey. Normally this would have sent me into a fit. However, I was in the zone and needed to go hard to the hoop. Good night.

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I liked how Tuttle says " you will be in my thoughts " also found out why rusty daughter died, (sids) n his marriage ended (minute man) i loved when he tells that POS to kill herself .

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his daughter died by means of a car running her over. They went over that in detail in an early episode...but maybe she didn't. I could see the entire Cohle character being a lie.

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Trying to figure out how much of a time lapse is there from the fight- to the -buy ya a drink scene? 14 Months? 2 Years ? The tail light is still busted.

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10 years.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Interviews takr placr in 2012

Fight took place in 2002

The lawnmower guy had a scar on his face.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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To add to that time is a flat circle thing all the chicks Marty bangs look like younger versions of his wife.

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This episode must have been what the writer meant when he said he did use some of the conventions of the typical police drama in his writing. This one was kind of a paint by numbers...very conventional, not all that interesting or worthy of discussion.

Cohle did take a turn toward the sinister. No one can match him in getting confessions but rather than the narrative he describes, it is more that he beguiles these people. They wake from their trance after the confession is made confused and not really knowing what they did. The way he is kind of hugging Madea while she writes is reminiscent of how artists have depicted both muses and angels/devils.

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This was definitely the least interesting episode thus far but I guess it was necessary to get us from 1995 to 2012 and fill-in the backstory.

I didn't really think that whole Maggie storyline worked very well. Maybe she's just not a very good actress but it just didn't seem like it fit in the with the general tone of the rest of the show.

The fight was good. I enjoyed the ending of Rust catching up with Marty but it seems to go against the idea that these two staged everything and have been working together which was a theory that I was agreeing with in weeks past. Even after Rust nailed Marty's wife, I was still onboard with the possibility that they were working together but I don't think so after the scene of the two at the end.

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I think it's clear at this point that they haven't been working together the past 10 years. Going with the whole Chekhov's gun principle, the gun Marty pulled out at end of the show has to have some type of meaning in relation to Cohle.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Agreed. I think the focus should be on whatever the hell Cohle showed Marty to make him flip out.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I think the Maggie writing is awkward. It's completely inconsistent that she finds him to be a man of such high integrity and principle, as opposed to her husband, and yet he has sex with her. His character should have sent her away. Marty would have been angry enough with the news of the guy she picked up in the bar. That is obvious by how he reacted to his girlfriend going on a date with a guy in an earlier episode. The writer wasted the scene to further buoy Rust's persona of not really being part of this world.

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Sadly, I think you are correct. It sucks that they are giving some chump, low level guy a prominent position in this sadistic ring.

The only way it works well if he has to take the fall for people much higher in the organization. The show could end like the Ledoux scene, where Cohle knows they have not ended the killings and the circle continues

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If I had to guess, I think it ends similarly to that. I don't think there is a clean resolution to the Yellow King storyline. The Lawnmower guy is another pawn, like Ledoux was. If he was some cult mastermind that evaded detection for decades, he wouldn't have been the one running through the forest chasing after that missing girl. That's not something the top guy would do. He would have a pawn do it for him.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

You guys are probably right about it being 2012- I just didn't see anything definitive about the timeline. It looked like rust was not quite as gray, it also looked like marty had a lil bit more hair than in 2012.
I agree...those do look like scars on that guys face ..Hope he is just the creepy molester n not the yellow king...also noticef tuttle had yellow tie n pocket liner.

any story line that produces maggie ass is ok with me. Funny how rust says something about a "downpayment " when. marty gives the young girl money...fast forward 5 years n marty is ass bangin her.

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No chance this ends clean. We're all going to be guessing....

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I'm fine with not having this pinned exclusively to 1-2 culprits. But I do need to know how deep this corruption/cult goes and their intentions. The Wellspring program opened schools to cultivate victims but I need background on why the killings/sacrifices were made. We all know Marty's daughters are involved. But why? Why/how was his ex father in law involved with this cult. Questions like that. That’s garnered my interest more than who the actual killer is (As I think like many mentioned he’s just a pawn).

Not buying for a second that a back woods prostitute never did anal

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Hard to tell how many of the clues are real and how many are just coincidences. I am not sure that Marty's daughters or ex-father in law are part of the bigger picture.

Rust seems to either be still undercover or part of the cult. When Tuttle offered to have the clerk show him the Wellspring material, he said something like another time. Why wouldn't he want to see it right away? It's almost like he went to see Tuttle just so he would get fired. Like a reason to leave the force.

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Apart from being a creepy dude, is there anything else pointing to grandpa being involved in the cult/molesting Marty's kids? I know Marty's kid did those drawings and was posing naked Barbies, and hooking up with two dudes at once but are there any clear signs pointing to grandpa that I'm missing?

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No, other than he appeared to be wealthy and conservative. Just seems like an obvious fit. So he probably isn't involved at all, right? Man does this show cause you to read too much into scenes.

I feel the same way about the grandfather theory as the custodian. That is a hackey way of writing crime.

Once I saw the two guys in the jail cell, I would have bet they were blowing each other as the daughter watched. That wasn't too bad of a beating to get out of having to go through the judiciary system.

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Kirkwood, question, when Cohle first meets up with Ginger, the biker group says that their leader Miles will be pissed to see Cohle again. Why would Miles be pissed to see a guy who was supposed to be dead?

I can't believe that Cohle is somehow the good guy. Too many people have pointed out that they see evil in him. At best he could be a vigilante cop because otherwise he would not have covered up LaDeux's real death.

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Yeah but it's the evil guys (at least that one that gets blowed up) that say that about him.

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But it's got to be someone we've seen already, right? The custodian or granddad being the culprit might be hackey but if the killer is someone we haven't been introduced to yet then that's like, Scooby-do level kinds of hackey.

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