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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:32 pm 
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Time for a collaborative effort. The sports world needs a bad signing metric.

Something the computes salary, term, production, draft slot. etc.

1-10 = based on relative salary.....10 being top 10% of salaries in that sport

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 Post subject: Re: Bad Signing Metric
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You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.

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I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ?


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Phil McCracken wrote:
You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.

He eats innings McCracken, he eats innings.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.


On the pitching side. Adam Dunn can be the reference for batters.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.


I agree, but the contract, while bad, is even worse considering the situation the team is in. Thus a 1-10 rating on the teams chances of making the playoffs. I would put a 10 metric on this one for E Jax.

Also, in the case of Jax, ability to trade him, going to say 7 out of 10, and not because of his talent, or lackthereof, but the fact that he has been on 7 teams?

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Chus wrote:
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You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.


On the pitching side. Adam Dunn can be the reference for batters.

I would be a 9 out of 10 on salary, as while it is high the salary isnt untradeable and also, you know someone will take him this year in August...

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mental instability going to be a tough metric to assign, except in this case!

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are you saying this 'metric' is something that would be predictive ?

or this is just after the fact, basically just ranking bad signings of the past


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Bagels wrote:
are you saying this 'metric' is something that would be predictive ?

or this is just after the fact, basically just ranking bad signings of the past


correct, maybe 10 areas of consideration all on 1-10 scales, thus out of 100...so a 100/100 would be the worst signing ever.

Physical capability, would be a grade, thus injuries would be a 1 of 10, if the injury was a true long term playing injury that had nothing to do with pre existing stuff.

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I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ?


A-Rod's first 10 yr deal was worth it.

Scottie Pippen had a 7 yr deal that worked. The one that Jerry "Satan" Reinsdorf told him not to sign.

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Chus wrote:
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I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ?


A-Rod's first 10 yr deal was worth it.

Scottie Pippen had a 7 yr deal that worked. The one that Jerry "Satan" Reinsdorf told him not to sign.


It worked for Jerry. :lol: ......but he tried so hard to stop him from signing....the 7 year deal....and remember Chus, it had to be a 7 year deal! lol

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You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.


On the pitching side. Adam Dunn can be the reference for batters.

I would be a 9 out of 10 on salary, as while it is high the salary isnt untradeable and also, you know someone will take him this year in August...


Maybe, since a team will only be on the hook for roughly two months.

If only the Sox could find somebody to take Ramirez and his remaining $20M.

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bigfan wrote:
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I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ?


A-Rod's first 10 yr deal was worth it.

Scottie Pippen had a 7 yr deal that worked. The one that Jerry "Satan" Reinsdorf told him not to sign.


It worked for Jerry. :lol: ......but he tried so hard to stop him from signing....the 7 year deal....and remember Chus, it had to be a 7 year deal! lol


I don't remember the details of how that thing shook out. I was a yout.

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Good idea bigfan, i like it!

How would ya rate

Cutler deal
anthony rizzo deal
homer bailey deal.

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I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ?

Magic Johnson's contract was probably a solid investment.

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We're not allowed to have the dummy-year contracts in the NHL anymore. The Hawks basically have to forbid Marian Hossa from retiring during his contract lest they get hit with a bullshit ex post facto circumvention penalty. So we'll see how that works out.

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Yeah but his before the rule is there any relief about that?

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Nope, any contract with dummy years is subject to cap penalties. It's an especially retarded rule because it punishes you more the closer the player gets to playing out his contract: the salary-hit difference is distributed over the unplayed years, so if you get to one year left, you take that entire hit in one season rather than, say, three or four. It's completely idiotic.

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You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing.

He eats innings McCracken, he eats innings.


His value per fangraphs was $10.2m and his contract was $11m. Not really that terrible. Not special, or anything to write home about. But he isn't as bad as you make it seem.


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Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute?

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AB-SO-LUTE! AB-SO-LUTE! AB-SO-oh, nevermind.

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Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute?
Depends on who you ask.

What was Edwin's TWTW factor?

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Fangraphs was clearly wrong, so was Epstein . what is the average salary for 5th starter? 5Million . If fangraphs had Jackson @12 per ...than they had to have Garza @ 17 per.

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Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute?
Depends on who you ask.

What was Edwin's TWTW factor?

His factor of making me want to stop watching Cubs games that he was pitching was pretty high

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Good idea bigfan, i like it!

How would ya rate

Cutler deal
anthony rizzo deal
homer bailey deal.






ok so bigfan won't bite. my opinion is

Cutler -7
Bailey -6.5
Rizzo- 6.5

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