It IS nonsense, and the part of my post that you deleted in the quote explained why. We are all smart enough here to understand the implication that you have to be the best, or at the worst the 2nd best, player on that title team for the purposes of this discussion.

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Yes, of course I am.

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No. I just set the bar high. I'm not convinced Lebron even has a better resume than Kobe yet. He may one day though. Kobe vs. Lebron should be the discussion now.
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I'm certain Buck was better than Rodman. He did everything Rodman did plus he was more of a threat to score. But Bosh is weak. In a league with no real big men he isn't dominating in any way. He makes All-Star teams by default.

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It's not a ridiculous argument to suggest that Pippen was though.

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That's simply not true. Please explain to me how Buck could rebound and defend as well as Rodman did.

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Maybe not. Nas argues that from time to time when it comes up. But we all watched those teams. Jordan was the best player.

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I would just like someone to let me know when titles matter and when they don't.

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If LeBron tails off and doesnt win any more titles than Jordan is better.

Completely open to either side.

Im glad you've changed your mind from "LeBron can never be better no matter what"

Isn't it obvious that they matter significantly, but only when taken in context with the larger resume of a player?

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I don't think that's as clear cut as you're making it seem. The cult of Jordan was already well established. It's impossible for viewpoints not to be informed by that fact.

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Are you agreeing that Russell is number one then? Or are you going to find fault with his larger resume?

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Kobe and Shaq dont fill that description?


This assigning titles thing doesnt work imo.

Timmy Smith was better than Barry Sanders, and Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino.

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Agree to disagree. I think it is as clear-cut as I'm making it seen. Jordan was #1 and Pippen was #2 on all 6 of those teams. In fact, few things in sports have ever been more clear cut, IMO. And I have enormous respect for Pippen. I think he was one of the 30 or 40 best players of all time. Wasn't it you who once argued on here that he wasn't a top 50 player?

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Dumbest sports thought of the day awarded by 8am ... nice.

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It's true I didn't watch those teams through the eyes of an adult, but I still think wade vs Pippen is more open a debate than you seem to think. We all know pip was the superior defensive player, one of the best ever, but do you dispute that wade was not considered a leading man prior to lbj joining his team? In what regard is Pippen the clearly superior player? I'm not saying wade is clearly superior, but that I'd probably lean wade due to his leading man credentials.

I don't feel too strongly about Kukoc vs Rodman, but we all know Kukoc not starting was for a strategic reason as opposed to the value each brought to the table.

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Pretty sure you've posted that no matter what LeBron does he cant be the best


I still dont know what that means or why you're saying it.

I don't agree he is #1. Mainly because I am smart enough to recognize the difference between 9 teams and 28 teams in a league, and what winning a title means in relation to that. But I do think a case can be made that Russell is the best basketball player of all time. I just wont be the one making that case. He was better than Wilt though.

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I would never say that. Link please.

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I'm mocking the absurd arguments that get made like that. It's something that Drew Magary on deadspin seems to say a lot.

Scott Williams is better than Charles Barkley. HOT SPORTS TAKE!

Basically, it's an argument that is so dumb you even know it is.

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I don't think he is a top 50 player. But he was at his absolute peak during that second threepeat. Jordan was a player in decline at the time. But, and this is what we aren't supposed to say in the post-SABRmetric world- Jordan was going to be the number one man on any team he played on, regardless of his physical abilities. And that's the argument for him over LeBron. But it isn't easily quantified and saying it is the kind of thing that will get you ridiculed on a show like B&b.

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Neither one of these is true, at least in my mind and anyone's mind who is able to think for themselves. Jordan was the best player on those Bulls teams because everything started and ended with him and because of the numbers he put up and because it was just obvious watching the games who the best player was. If Jordan joined the Heat today I would not make the argument he is the best player on that team, and I don't think your somewhat-imagined Cult of Jordan would either. Unlike Larry Bird, I don't consider Jordan God disguised as Michael Jordan. He's just the best basketball player I have ever seen and am likely to ever see.

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And you think saying LeBron is on pace to be as good as Jordan qualifies?


I think Jordan is the GOAT, but I think LeBron has fulfilled every expectation and if he keeps going, he will get to Jordan's level.

What is so outrageous about the assertion? Check out a stat comparison here: http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_ ... e_wade.htm

I'd be happy to discuss context and history as well.

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I don't think stating that "Jordan was the best because he was the best" is thinking for oneself. Every play the Bulls ran in that era went through Scottie. But the fact you say "Jordan is the best player you are likely to ever see" suggests you are a card-carrying member of the Cult of Jordan. You've already decided who the best is and no amount of evidence will ever be able to alter that viewpoint.

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You seemed to take issue with me wanting Lebron to win 6 titles.

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Many bad assumptions in this post. Nobody, including me, is saying Jordan was the best because he was the best. I already stated why. And the offense ran through Jordan more than it did Scottie. Suggesting otherwise is wrong. Also, Jordan was incredibly fucking talented at basketball. That's why I am unlikely to see a player who is better than he was. Your argument would hold water if I said I would NEVER see a player better than he was, but I didn't say that, despite how much you want me to. So your last sentence is just completely false. Thinking for one's self doesn't automatically mean being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. Sometimes the status quo is correct. But it's not correct just because it's correct, which is the argument you would like us to make but none of us have. I've already stated multiple reasons Jordan was better than Scottie. He faced more defensive pressure and scored more, he put up better stats, everything on offense started and ended with him, he has all the stats, awards, and accolades to back it up. Ironically, you have stated no such case for Scottie and don't even think of him as an all time great player. So was Scottie better than Jordan because Scottie was better than Jordan, or do you actually have any reasoning behind your stance?

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Yes, I think its possible he could win 5 and still be as good or better. I dont think the exact number matters.

I dont think Kobe would have been equal to Michael if they had beaten Detroit that year and he had 6

I would think the minimum expectation for Lebron should be 6 titles given where he is now and how he won those first two titles. No matter how you spin it, he joined up with one sure fire hall of famer, one likely hall of famer, and then added another hall of famer. He isn't winning these titles with a bunch of losers.

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