Yes they can lose the port. I am saying Russia wants the port.

It is the port. Nothing more nothing less.

I believe I should point out that Kruschev (himself half Ukranian) 'gifted' that area to Ukraine. This was not the most popular thing he ever did but, in short, who the fuck was gonna say 'boo' to him about it? So any given Russian likely considers Crimea as much a part of Russia as anywhere else, they're just Indian giving what's rightfully theirs anyway.

The article I posted said the "gift" part is somewhat a myth. Russia didn't really have the capability to support it in its weakened state and the geography of it. Basically, the water and electricity and most other stuff have to come from the Ukraine anyways. Logically, even the Russians knew it didn't really make sense to have it and the ownership period of it was relatively small in the grand scheme of things anyways.

It was as much abandoned or unwanted until Putin decided it was time to be a big guy against another country that Russia has repeatedly harassed.

Russia attacked Ukraine because they saw an opening with the unrest and were pissed that their puppet President had been thrown out. Not cause of Obama.

Serisoulsy. Let's not Chas up this thread again.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Do you believe that if there were a stronger president in the white house, not Mitt or that goofy broad who I don't even want to name, but a real strongman type of either party, that Putin would have taken the 90 minute call more seriously?

Putin invaded Georgia while Cowboy George was president.

We should use this opportunity to press our old claim on British Columbia, we need to connect the lower 48 to Alaska.

Putin invaded Georgia while Cowboy George was president.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

We should use this opportunity to press our old claim on British Columbia, we need to connect the lower 48 to Alaska.

We should also press Mexico to take back Texas.

I don't think Putin took Gerogie any more seriously than we did.

We should also press Mexico to take back Texas.

Russia saw our will was weak after all the mideast shit.

And China is just sitting there waiting.

Trae Young will be a bust. Book It!

It would be virtually impossible for China to get into a conflict with us and Europe on the other side. It would probably take them 50 years to recover whether they won or lost.

Russia really is on an island on their own here.

I think it would take the President to be absolutely bat spit crazy before Putin would care what he / she thinks. He's a throwback to the old Soviets. He's gonna do as he pleases until the entire wold joins together and slaps him backwards.

Again, this is about world politics. Not Obama. They saw an opening and took it. Syria had no bearing on the timing of this at all.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this whole Ukraine thing. My family is from there, but the more and more I hear about the place the more and more i realize why all the jews are leaving. Its one of the most anti semetic places in the world as far as non muslim places.

So is that anti semetism to be blamed on the government, the new government or the people..or all of them? Basically it sounds like everyone there hates jews so if that's the case I hope Russia burns it to the ground.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this whole Ukraine thing. My family is from there, but the more and more I hear about the place the more and more i realize why all the jews are leaving. Its one of the most anti semetic places in the world as far as non muslim places.

So is that anti semetism to be blamed on the government, the new government or the people..or all of them? Basically it sounds like everyone there hates jews so if that's the case I hope Russia burns it to the ground.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Ukraine had some serious racism problems with soccer a year or two ago. Wasn't it Ukraine where the soccer executive said he didn't want any "zumba-bumbas" on his team?

I don't think people take seriously enough the things that happen in our world. Russia wants a come back as they saw our will was weak after all the mideast shit. And China is just sitting there waiting.

Obama’s weakness emboldens Putin
When President Obama declared Friday that “there will be costs” for any Russian intervention in Ukraine, you could hear the laughter emanating from the Kremlin — followed by the sound of Russian military vehicles roaring into Crimea and seizing control of the peninsula.

“Costs?” Vladi­mir Putin must have thought. Just like the “costs” Obama imposed on the Assad regime in Syria?

Just last year none other than Putin helped Obama get out of his pledge to impose costs on Bashar al-Assad’s government for crossing his “red line” and using chemical weapons on its people.

In August 2012, Obama issued a similar warning to Syrian officials, warning that Assad would face consequences if “we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.” Assad responded by moving and using his chemical weapons — not once but 14 times beginning in December 2012, just four months after Obama declared his red line.

Obama did nothing.

Then Obama began backing away from his declaration, saying, “I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line.” But when he went to the world and asked them to join him in enforcing “their” red line, the British Parliament voted no and NATO declined to help. Soon, the administration was lowering expectations. A U.S. official was telling the Los Angeles Times that any U.S. strike would be “just muscular enough not to get mocked.” Secretary of State John Kerry declared that any strike would be “unbelievably small” and would not really constitute “war.” Then Obama decided he needed to go to Congress and get approval for his “unbelievably small” strike. And when it became clear that he did have the votes, in stepped Putin to rescue Obama from an embarrassing defeat by offering a deal to have Syria disarm.

Obama jumped on the Russian-engineered face-saving way out. As soon as the deal was announced, Syrian officials promptly declared it “a victory for Syria, achieved thanks to our Russian friends.” To rub salt in the wound, Putin lectured the president in a New York Times op-ed about the dangers of American exceptionalism.

It was one of the most embarrassing and emasculating episodes in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

In the wake of this debacle, Obama is now warning Putin — the man who saved him from his promise to impose costs on Assad — that he’s going to impose costs on Putin for his intervention in Ukraine? Did he really expect Putin to take him seriously?

Not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this whole Ukraine thing. My family is from there, but the more and more I hear about the place the more and more i realize why all the jews are leaving. Its one of the most anti semetic places in the world as far as non muslim places.

So is that anti semetism to be blamed on the government, the new government or the people..or all of them? Basically it sounds like 1everyone there hates jews so if that's the case I hope Russia burns it to the ground.