No, but I'm sure the people with the higher scores probably did. When you prepare for one of the tests you take a couple sample tests to get a feel for the real thing. What I'm saying is that you can improve your score if you do a little prep work and it doesn't even cost your parents anything.

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Mini Ditka has some explaining to do.

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I can work on different things (lose weight, technique, etc) to run faster. I can't do a whole lot to make myself taller.

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... it doesn't matter what your SAT score was, you're not getting that loan.

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So why wouldn't you need the exact same thing for the ACT?

However, I do agree with you. Tests can be studied for.

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Talent: natural aptitude or skill.

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Good. We agree. Just wanted you to admit it.

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Now see, someone with real talent would've run with that line right there.

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The entire culture surrounding those tests has changed since I took them. We were specifically instructed not to attempt to study for them. Today, all these little fuckers take test prep classes. But that doesn't illustrate what you know, rather that you got ready for the exam. But why does anyone need to know anything these days? We have Google.

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You may be sarcastic, but there is truth in this. There are policies and procedures that people need to know, but there is almost no point in memorizing things anymore. We have every single piece of information known to man just a click away. When training new employees for technical jobs nowadays, we basically give them the tools they need for certain procedures and practice those procedures and then give them online resources for anything out of the ordinary they run into. The information's always available. The "old schooler" in me says this is a bad thing that people won't "know" as much as they used to. The practical side says it makes sense and it's more efficient.

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We had high school kids who were treating it like it was like an exam to get into medical school. Luckily, I was a pretty unmotivated student until about sophomore year of college so I didn't really get involved in any studying for it. I knew before I took the ACT that I needed to get an 18 in order to be accepted to Illinois State so I really didn't care too much. I didn't even knew Purdue existed.

Not to derail the thread, but that is my point on newspapers too.

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I think prep work helps your SAT and ACT score. It's not going to make you score go up by 50 percent, but possibly 25 percent, which for most is a big improvement. Unfortunately, a lot of the public schools are not necessarily training students to be college students. In many cases high school teachers are just holding hands with the kid so they don't flunk out of school. Your score is only relevant to an extent within a range. For example a state school is going to require an ACT score over 20-something. A student wanting to go to college just needs to get that minimum score. It's really as simple as that and there might be certain GPA and course requirements.

So much of education is what you do when you're not in the classroom. Did you read the text book and complete your homework and class projects? Did you review your notes and study for the exam? Some kids are naturally gifted to put no work in and still have great grades. But for the people who don't put in the time outside of class it really catches up to them when they are in a college setting.

If kids read more and had less screen time they would have better scores on the SATs and ACT.

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I still don't understand why anyone would "prep" for the ACT or SAT. Either you know the material, or you don't. The prep tests are not going to have the exact same questions or topics, so what's the point?

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There are certain kids whose parents put pressure on them. If the parents didn't push them they probably wouldn't take it so seriously.

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Here's a goofy video regarding the exponential growth of information available to us. Even though the presenters are a couple of Harvard yuppies, I thought the information was pretty amazing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WtJ50v7qByE

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You can prep because it's basic concepts that you probably took in previous classes but have probably forgotten. There are specific types of questions and concepts to be familiar with. Understanding the format of the test also helps to prepare someone for the test and to get an idea of how long to spend on each section.

Your statement is similar to: "Well, someone either knows how to drive or doesn't, so why practice before your road test?"

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I don't know the exact answer but I know for a fact kids scores have gone up after taking them that I have known.

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In the dolphin family, SAT score has proven to be inversely proportional to future earnings.

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A normal test in high school usually involves: "Review the material we have covered over the past few weeks", or "review Chapter 5 in your math textbook". The same would apply to a driving test, "Review the rules of the road manual".

For the SAT/ACT, are they just saying "Review everything you have learned in high school so far"? How could anyone possibly do that? Which is why I say, either you know it, or you don't.

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You forget some stuff. Preparing for it helps you remember what you used to know.

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I think it also helps with the time that you have to take the test.


I never took anything like this, as I don't think they had it way back when. But, you can bet your ass Hawg Jr. will be taking some kind of prep course for it.

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I think the SAT and ACT prep classes are more to show you the way the test is administered and the types of questions they ask. It isnt really studying material so much as studying the actual structure of the test and how to get through it in the required time.

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Fill in the bubbles before the time runs out.

That requires practice?

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They're culturally biased test.

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You're being over-simplistic. It doesn't take much effort to fill in circles. But what is practiced is determining how much time to spend on each section and dividing your time up so that you don't run out of time with the test. If you pay to take the test you don't want to get to the end and have skipped a whole section because you spent too much time on the math section.

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GEORGE: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Steven Koren. His G.P.A. is a solid 2.0. Right in that meaty part of the curve. Not showing off, not falling behind.

WYCK: George, the qualifications for this scholarship were supposed to be largely academic.

GEORGE: I'm sure we're all aware of the flaws and biases of standardized tests.

WYCK: These aren't standardized tests. These are his grades.

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I would have gone Neon Boudreau instead of Seinfeld for a culturally biased standardized test reference.

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I took the ACTs, got a private tutor and added 2 more points after taking it again.


One of my biggest issues was time management. I was horrible at it. Had to learn how to take the test.

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