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Could the old broad in the preview be Marty's mother-in-law?

Is ANYBODY reading the links that I am providing?

Also, the chest tattoo is discussed in detail much earlier in this thread.

C'mon, keep up, people!


I am staying away from links and possible spoilers. In fact I am going to avoid this thread until Monday
morning. At this point I am just going to take the episode at face value and see how it shakes out. Really
don't want my head clogged up with all of these JFKesque theories.

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That's a lot of machinations when everyone involved with him pretty much knows all she would have to do is bump into him on the street.

And the scene of her finding the pics on his phone wouldnt make sense

Why wouldn't it?

If Maggie was behind the Beth thing, why would she need to check Hart's phone for that pic and why would see react, with no one else around, so poorly?

Could say she's acting, but no reason when Woody is in the shower and cant even see her


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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That's a lot of machinations when everyone involved with him pretty much knows all she would have to do is bump into him on the street.

And the scene of her finding the pics on his phone wouldnt make sense

Why wouldn't it? as I stated above, the emphasis on the tampons (shown at least twice) would tend to show that he was sent out there by Maggie.

It is pretty easy from there:

Maggie speaks to Beth before, tells her what to do.

Marty goes in shop, as instructed by Maggie to look at phones.

Beth sees her cue and chats him up.

Now here is the stretch - there is a bar/tavern in vicinity, and Marty stops in, where Beth saddles up next to him and orders MAGGIE'S DIRTY MARTINI - but maybe Maggie knows that Marty is such a drunk he would not be able to pass up a watering hole. Like I said, THAT is the only stretch I see, because after that, Beth follows him outside and admits that she remembers him.

The phone pics could have been Maggie setting that up very easily. She has Beth send them so that she can find them and go get summa that Krayzy RustMeat - Boom.


She saw them when he was in the shower and didn't even mention it for some time later. He also had been sober for several years. The mundanity of tampon shopping sent him back to drinking.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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If Maggie was behind the Beth thing, why would she need to check Hart's phone for that pic and why would see react, with no one else around, so poorly?

Could say she's acting, but no reason when Woody is in the shower and cant even see her

Refresh me: what was her exact reaction right after she saw it?

Very unhappy. Slammed down the phone and then didnt return his I love you in the next scene. Said "thank you"

But she'd have no need to even look at the phone if she was the mastermind


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 Post subject: Re: True Detective
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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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If Maggie was behind the Beth thing, why would she need to check Hart's phone for that pic and why would see react, with no one else around, so poorly?

Could say she's acting, but no reason when Woody is in the shower and cant even see her

Refresh me: what was her exact reaction right after she saw it?

Very unhappy. Slammed down the phone and then didnt return his I love you in the next scene. Said "thank you"

But she'd have no need to even look at the phone if she was the mastermind

"Thank you", as in "Thank you for fulfilling my plan!" - maybe?

Anyhow, she would indeed have to look at the phone to confirm that her ammo for her own betrayal was indeed delivered - i.e. if Marty was smart and he deleted the pics, she would have no justification. Also, maybe Beth was instructed to send the pics at that specific time (while Marty was in shower) to escape deletion (not sure about this one - does it show timestamps or give any time indication on the texts?).

Timestamp was like 1 or 2 am

She went to the phone after seeing that Hart was washing his clothes (as she went to do the laundry as she usually does and this tipped her off)


I guess she could be checking to make sure the plan went thru, but she looked legitimately upset


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Matches Malone wrote:
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I'm more curious as to why he has a picture of McConaughey circa Contact tattooed on him.

That should be explained if its not that's a little too much of a red herring


http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/02/guide-reggie-ledouxs-tattoos-true-detective/


That is an easy explanation. It looks similar to every angelic depiction I have ever seen. Why fixate on the tattoo. Ledoux straight out tells Cohle he has seen him before.

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good dolphin wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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I'm more curious as to why he has a picture of McConaughey circa Contact tattooed on him.

That should be explained if its not that's a little too much of a red herring


http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/02/guide-reggie-ledouxs-tattoos-true-detective/


That is an easy explanation. It looks similar to every angelic depiction I have ever seen. Why fixate on the tattoo. Ledoux straight out tells Cohle he has seen him before.

The seen you before has to be referring to reincarnation


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
I can't get over all the looks that Charlie Lange and Marty give each other in this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vla-8D_U_Po


even better, the look Ledoux gives Cohle the first time he sees him through the opened window after Marty first announces their presence

I haven't rewatched any episode and didn't notice this. He definitely has seen Cohle before but I don't think it is as any sort of accomplice role or one that Cohle is aware of. It obviously has an impact on Cohle as his meeting with Ledoux is the genesis of his philosophy that everything in life is recurring.

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good dolphin wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
I can't get over all the looks that Charlie Lange and Marty give each other in this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vla-8D_U_Po


even better, the look Ledoux gives Cohle the first time he sees him through the opened window after Marty first announces their presence

I haven't rewatched any episode and didn't notice this. He definitely has seen Cohle before but I don't think it is as any sort of accomplice role or one that Cohle is aware of. It obviously has an impact on Cohle as his meeting with Ledoux is the genesis of his philosophy that everything in life is recurring.


LeDoux looked like he might have been a big fan of Magic Mike.

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Im gonna have to rewatch all 7. Not sure I can do it by sunday


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Im gonna have to rewatch all 7. Not sure I can do it by sunday


I'm sure they will be played marathon style within the next month.

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I've come to believe that the daughter's story is over. The dolls were just in Marty's mind as that reddit post showed they weren't really staged that way in the earlier shot.

I hope I'm wrong because that would be weak.


really, really weak

You cannot point so often to something in a story and then let it go, unexplained. Yet, if he explains it thoroughly, he will have burned up a good portion of the 55 minutes.

They'll probably reference it but not explain it and let the viewer put some pieces together


Where is the reddit post with the dolls not positioned that way?

I didn't see one either. There's a lot of posters here who like to bring up shit and then not post the link where they got it from so we can follow up on it.

I hate that shit.


It was posted earlier in the thread.

C'mon people, keep up.

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Why, thank you, good doctor! I did not see that.

That sequence either suggests (A) a cinematographic chronology or inconsistency error or (B) that Marty envisioned the dolls that way, and they were not really set up like that (as was suggested).


It looks like a lot of facts not in evidence being used to analyze those pictures. If anything, the flashbacks in this show have proven to be factual while the testimony occasionally lies.

It really doesn't matter. There are too many other instances of the crime creeping into the household. How anyone picked out the drawing on the wall matching the mural in the psych ward is astonishing to me.

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Why, thank you, good doctor! I did not see that.

That sequence either suggests (A) a cinematographic chronology or inconsistency error or (B) that Marty envisioned the dolls that way, and they were not really set up like that (as was suggested).


That's a pretty big screw-up since they actually have the young actress putting the doll on a table.

Also, the name of that episode......Seeing Things.

It's the same episode where Rust sees the birds in that circular pattern when he gets out of the car.

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Why, thank you, good doctor! I did not see that.

That sequence either suggests (A) a cinematographic chronology or inconsistency error or (B) that Marty envisioned the dolls that way, and they were not really set up like that (as was suggested).


That's a pretty big screw-up since they actually have the young actress putting the doll on a table.

Also, the name of that episode......Seeing Things.

It's the same episode where Rust sees the birds in that circular pattern when he gets out of the car.


but Rust admitted that he hallucinates beforehand

Do your kids have two or more of the same action figure? Mine certainly do.

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Cohle's daugther didnt die in a car accident. She's alive. She was abducted/adopted by the Yellow King (Hart) and now goes by the name, Audrey


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Do your kids have two or more of the same action figure? Mine certainly do.

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The dolls clearly aren't in the position you see when the girls walked out of the room.

Hart had just gotten done discussing/arguing with his wife how his home should be free from his work problems and his sanctuary.

I have been of the opinion all along that they were really staged that way. But, with so little time left, I just don't know if they plan to go down this road. I'm not in favor of that since they've certainly laid a groundwork here that they aren't going to payoff with the dolls, the notebook with her naked drawings, her sexual experimentation, etc.

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I'm not in favor of that since they've certainly laid a groundwork here that they aren't going to payoff with the dolls, the notebook with her naked drawings, her sexual experimentation, etc.

Really?

Its kind of a blur for me, but was the daughter referenced in Episode 7? What makes you think they wont pay it off?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I'm not in favor of that since they've certainly laid a groundwork here that they aren't going to payoff with the dolls, the notebook with her naked drawings, her sexual experimentation, etc.

Really?

Its kind of a blur for me, but was the daughter referenced in Episode 7? What makes you think they wont pay it off?


I don't think there is time to really flesh out what must have happened to her if we are to believe the Grandfather was involved and she was molested by the group as a child, etc. You'd have to reintroduce the Grandfather, go through how he got her involved, take some time to show the emotional impact on the daughter and all that. I just don't think they'd do that.

The only way I see her getting back involved is if Marty actually is The Yellow King like some people theorized and got the daughter involved with the group without her knowing (since he was masked). I just don't think the show would stretch that far, Hawk.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I'm not in favor of that since they've certainly laid a groundwork here that they aren't going to payoff with the dolls, the notebook with her naked drawings, her sexual experimentation, etc.

Really?

Its kind of a blur for me, but was the daughter referenced in Episode 7? What makes you think they wont pay it off?


I don't think there is time to really flesh out what must have happened to her if we are to believe the Grandfather was involved and she was molested by the group as a child, etc. You'd have to reintroduce the Grandfather, go through how he got her involved, take some time to show the emotional impact on the daughter and all that. I just don't think they'd do that.

They could do all that in a quick 2 minute recap of cut shots and black and white stuff.


If all the daughter stuff doesnt get paid off, Im going to consider this show a failure (at least compared to its potential)


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Do your kids have two or more of the same action figure? Mine certainly do.

humblebrag


I'm an indulgent parent. I will pay for that in the future

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good dolphin wrote:

Do your kids have two or more of the same action figure? Mine certainly do.

humblebrag


I'm an indulgent parent. I will pay for that in the future

You just have boys right?

I imagine you'd be even worse with a little girl giving you the sad eyes.

Im sure you'll teach them well


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http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/03/one-last-wild-true-detective-theory-before-the-fin.html
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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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Cohle's daugther didnt die in a car accident. She's alive. She was abducted/adopted by the Yellow King (Hart) and now goes by the name, Audrey

Link to where you saw that, you durrty summbitch!

That would explain (A) why he was so nervous to go over there for the first dinner, and (B) why he snuck back to show everybody his guns, have a cup of tea, and do some landscaping.

I made that one up. 8)


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Concerning the daughter drawings, I think it's key to remember that when she's asked where she saw something like that, she never really answers the question. She responds with "the other girls dared me to." Also, if you look at the drawings it's clearly five different men yet the same girl.

Number five either has scars or a mask. If it's scars then we know it's the lawnmower man but if it's a mask then it can't be him because according to "Johnny Joanie" only the three young men didn't wear masks, and he remembers one of those three having scars.


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I wouldn't be surprised if this is the final scene.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/c ... _for_ep_8/

Flat circle.


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After reading, reading, and reading all of these articles and threads on this show, I am so utterly tired of people trying to sound smart by throwing around examples of how "time is a flat circle"!

Has anyone ever stopped to think: what other type of circle IS there? NONE! or Even if time was a SPHERE, you would STILL go round and round and end up where you started!

It is JUST NIETSCHIAN GIBBERISH-BABBLE and MEANS FUCKING NOTHING! It is not a theme that is carrying the show.

I think it's einsteinian and theoretically correct

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SPOILERISH











So the writer literally said he showed lawnmower man specifically so people would get the idea that Rust or Cohle was the killer out of their head



That kinda bliws . I like a twist ending


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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Q.Bovifs wrote:
After reading, reading, and reading all of these articles and threads on this show, I am so utterly tired of people trying to sound smart by throwing around examples of how "time is a flat circle"!

Has anyone ever stopped to think: what other type of circle IS there? NONE! or Even if time was a SPHERE, you would STILL go round and round and end up where you started!

It is JUST NIETSCHIAN GIBBERISH-BABBLE and MEANS FUCKING NOTHING! It is not a theme that is carrying the show.

I think it's einsteinian and theoretically correct

In the show, I believe Mr. Cole is the one who proclaims it to be the work of Nietzsche.

Here is what Einstein said on the subject:

A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security.

Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)


In regards to a circular universe Einstein said that space is curved, so that if you travel in a straight line you would eventually end up where you started.

Also, if the spoiler I posited is to be believed, it would prove what I said above about all of the "circle" bullshit surrounding this show to be correct.

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