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Some people just can't help themselves. Chas makes a post and fails at trying to disguise it as another one of his "Obama sucks" posts.

I honestly had no idea what he was saying. So... that's... yeah.

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Some people just can't help themselves. Chas makes a post and fails at trying to disguise it as another one of his "Obama sucks" posts.

I honestly had no idea what he was saying. So... that's... yeah.


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Totes McGoates.

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Russia is a proud country that loves its history. That part of the Ukraine is historically Russia and where the Russian Orthodox Church was born. Us Americanos stopped thinking about war for victory in Korea. We think we are all high minded now and international this or that and UN. Russia and China and the littler players don't give one fuck. Make a war or attack get shit and keep it.

MacArthur had all of Korea done. You can study it. Said fuck it lets fuck with China next. Nope lets go back to 38th parallel and work on bullshit. Same with Bush number 1. We were right in that first one when Hussein went into Kuwait. We could have marched that shit to Turkey and owned it all. No no no lets stop and do the UN shit.

You will never be the baddest when others make you play nice.

And no matter what all people try to make you think with peace talk and UN and international law and so on there is no play nice. Kick their fucking ass and keep their shit is how it works. It is amazing to me how much fortune and time is spent trying to figure out that the world is still just cavemen.

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HW did the right thing and W didn't. He had the experience and knowledge to understand why he shouldn't go further. Contrary to popular opinion he is the one that ended the Cold War.

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HW did the right thing and W didn't. He had the experience and knowledge to understand why he shouldn't go further. Contrary to popular opinion he is the one that ended the Cold War.

Yes Nas, I am strictly speaking that if some of the old rules of war applied and not this international crap a lot could be saved. Had HW gone to Baghdad then no further troubles. Until the next troubles.

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Russia is a proud country that loves its history. That part of the Ukraine is historically Russia and where the Russian Orthodox Church was born. Us Americanos stopped thinking about war for victory in Korea. We think we are all high minded now and international this or that and UN. Russia and China and the littler players don't give one fuck. Make a war or attack get shit and keep it.

MacArthur had all of Korea done. You can study it. Said fuck it lets fuck with China next. Nope lets go back to 38th parallel and work on bullshit. Same with Bush number 1. We were right in that first one when Hussein went into Kuwait. We could have marched that shit to Turkey and owned it all. No no no lets stop and do the UN shit.

You will never be the baddest when others make you play nice.

And no matter what all people try to make you think with peace talk and UN and international law and so on there is no play nice. Kick their fucking ass and keep their shit is how it works. It is amazing to me how much fortune and time is spent trying to figure out that the world is still just cavemen.


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Some people just can't help themselves. Chas makes a post and fails at trying to disguise it as another one of his "Obama sucks" posts.


It kinda is kinda isn't.
I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. It does not seem like he is even close to coming to the table to talk.The only thing Russians understand is force. Shit they abandoned their capital and burned it down rather than let Napoleon take it from them. 300 guys and a squadron and a half of fighters is not that much of a deterrent. They sank a ship and blocked a port. Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.

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... Reagan or Johnston.


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Some people just can't help themselves. Chas makes a post and fails at trying to disguise it as another one of his "Obama sucks" posts.


It kinda is kinda isn't.
I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. It does not seem like he is even close to coming to the table to talk.The only thing Russians understand is force. Shit they abandoned their capital and burned it down rather than let Napoleon take it from them. 300 guys and a squadron and a half of fighters is not that much of a deterrent. They sank a ship and blocked a port. Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.


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And no matter what all people try to make you think with peace talk and UN and international law and so on there is no play nice. Kick their fucking ass and keep their shit is how it works. It is amazing to me how much fortune and time is spent trying to figure out that the world is still just cavemen.

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children


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And no matter what all people try to make you think with peace talk and UN and international law and so on there is no play nice. Kick their fucking ass and keep their shit is how it works. It is amazing to me how much fortune and time is spent trying to figure out that the world is still just cavemen.

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children


The Iraq. :lol:

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I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. ....

Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.


Notice how the only ones in the West making all this noise are Tea Partiers & mini tough guys like Sen. Lindsey Beauregard Graham, or clueless NewsCorp clowns like Giuliani and Caribou Barbie???

And you can't be that daft to hold up Reagan & "Johnston" as shining examples of Presidents using military force???

Reagan had 230+ Marines killed in a terrorist act, did nothing about it....except to attack the Spice Island of Grenada. He had virtually nothing to do with the fall of the USSR, simple economics and Russian public needs/desires did.

LBJ did nothing but find a fraudulent "reason" :wink: to escalate American involvement in Vietnam...leading to tens of thousands of American (& hundreds of thousands/millions of Asian) deaths in a country that has been one of our biggest trading partners & exotic vacation destinations of many Americans for over twenty years.

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I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children


I'd nearly forgotten about that one. :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:15 pm 
Chas see.... this board was here in 2008. This thing happened. Russia invaded Georgia. There wasn't 20 pages of crying by you that GWB didn't do jack shit about it. So we know you are full of shit. So why don't you go back to not posting? The world is a better place.


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I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. ....

Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.


Notice how the only ones in the West making all this noise are Tea Partiers & mini tough guys like Sen. Lindsey Beauregard Graham, or clueless NewsCorp clowns like Giuliani and Caribou Barbie???

And you can't be that daft to hold up Reagan & "Johnston" as shining examples of Presidents using military force???

Reagan had 230+ Marines killed in a terrorist act, did nothing about it....except to attack the Spice Island of Grenada. He had virtually nothing to do with the fall of the USSR, simple economics and Russian public needs/desires did.

LBJ did nothing but find a fraudulent "reason" :wink: to escalate American involvement in Vietnam...leading to tens of thousands of American (& hundreds of thousands/millions of Asian) deaths in a country that has been one of our biggest trading partners & exotic vacation destinations of many Americans for over twenty years.

Really only ones are right wing nut jobs?
Then there must have been a huge shit in the EU cuze they are talking fairly tough.
I said Reagan and Johnston because they would be crazy enough to do something crazy like send in a ton o troops.
The Marine thing was a total fuck up but you seem to forget the other stuff he did,and not to give him some credit for the fall of the Soviets is a total revisionist history.
All the Pres is doing now is setting up speed bumps.plus look at where the troops are being sent,Poland long way to get to where the problems are plus no port on the Black Sea. Lithuania even further away
Once again we are getting involved in a place that really has no significance for us and the people we are backing are sketchy at best.
I mean he is jumping all over the place with his tough talk yet nothing is getting resolved.
Libya-still not one person brought to justice for killing an ambassador and attacking out sovereign territory. Egypt still a mess with the military in control(elected govt we did n't like so we gave them okay to overthrow them)
Sryia-Assad is doing whatever he likes,he has used chem weapons at least 10 times yet all he got was a stern talking too. Now this. Plus,there is shit going down in the Western Pacific that might get dangerous very soon.

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I said Reagan and Johnston because they would be crazy enough to do something crazy like send in a ton o troops.

Still :lol: :lol:

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I said Reagan and Johnston because they would be crazy enough to do something crazy like send in a ton o troops.

Still :lol: :lol:



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Reagan had virtually nothing to do with the fall of the USSR, simple economics and Russian public needs/desires did.

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A central instrument for putting pressure on the Soviet Union was Reagan’s massive defense build-up, which raised defense spending from $134 billion in 1980 to $253 billion in 1989. This raised American defense spending to 7 percent of GDP, dramatically increasing the federal deficit. Yet in its efforts to keep up with the American defense build-up, the Soviet Union was compelled in the first half of the 1980s to raise the share of its defense spending from 22 percent to 27 percent of GDP, while it froze the production of civilian goods at 1980 levels.


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Particularly effective, though with unintended long-term side effects, was the Reagan administration’s support for the mujahideen (holy warriors) that were fighting against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan. Reagan was determined to make Afghanistan the Soviet Vietnam. Therefore in 1986 he decided to provide the mujahideen with portable surface-to-air Stinger missiles, which proved devastatingly effective in increasing Soviet air losses (particularly helicopters). The war in Afghanistan cost the United States about $1 billion per annum in aid to the mujahideen; it cost the Soviet Union eight times as much, helping bankrupt its economy.


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Apart from his defense policies, Reagan also weakened the Soviet Union through economic moves. His supporters’ claims that he brought about the fall of the Soviet Union are somewhat weakened by the fact that he ended Carter’s grain embargo, which had produced alarming food shortages in the Soviet Union. On the other hand Reagan was able to reduce the flow of Western technology to the Soviet Union, as well to limit Soviet natural gas exports to Western Europe. One of the most effective ways in which his economic policies weakened the Soviet Union was by helping bring about a drastic fall in the price of oil in the 1980s, thereby denying the Soviet Union large inflows of hard currency".


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I said Reagan and Johnston because they would be crazy enough to do something crazy like send in a ton o troops.

Still :lol: :lol:


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After the 1988 Olympics, he teamed up with Cindy Landry. He and Landry won the silver medal at the 1989 World Figure Skating Championships and won the 1990 Canadian national title.

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Apparently at the moment, a number of trucks rolled off a Russian ship (part of the Black Sea fleet), and are now ramming their way into a Ukranian military base.

This, from Pravda, apparently says this:

"In Sevastopol russian forces are storming ukrainian army base A2355. This information was provided to "Interfax-Ukraine" by the soldier on duty. As decribed by him - Russian forces crashed through the bases's wall with Kamaz(the russian vehicle) and took posession of the nearest building. Now they are storming the command post. The base has about 100 ukrainian soldiers on duty and the number of attackers is uncertain/unknown. Ministry of Ukrainian defence claims 20 persons are storming the command post of the tactical group "Crimea"(ukrainian air forces). Among the storming - "cossaks" and the local radicals with baseball bats, which throw light grenades. According to the information provided the commander of the base and it's assistant have come out to negotiate the situation with attackers. The soldiers of the base, in the meanwhile have barricaded inside the base. The military base A-2344 is based in Sevastopol(Yuharina balka) As reported earlier(Mar 5) Russian defence prime minister Sergey Shoygou announced that there are no russian forces in Crimea."

Simon Schuster from Time seems to confirm the event is occurring. As I wrote this now the AP has picked the same story up as well; I don't have a direct link though, just this.

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And now apparently the base is all fine and dandy again. What fun.

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According to the latest theory making the rounds, Putin's primary concern is that no part of Ukraine join up with the EU and come under formal NATO protection. Something the EU/NATO/the US has been trying to achieve for years, decades even, going back to Bill Clinton's administration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2 ... _relations

A hurdle to joining NATO and then the EU is that a candidate nation to join NATO can not have any disputed borders.

So Putin's plan, according to folks like Stephen Cohen, is to poke and prod and engage in befuddling fuckery to keep the Ukraine situation fluid and unstable.

Cleanly cleaving Ukraine in two would be almost as bad as not having any Russian forces in Crimea at all and letting the entire Ukraine go to the West. A definitively divided Ukraine would make the Western portion eligible for NATO membership and that's Putin's 2nd-to-worst case scenario. So he'll feign he's pulling out of Crimea and then feign he's moving into the Western portion of Ukraine before pulling back and standing pat in Crimea...for the moment.

Seems like a PITA strategy but it's Putin so Image. Maybe he plans to use Ukraine as a constant bargaining chip in negotiations with the West over Iran/Syria/et al. e.g., don't give me what I want and I'll fire up my tanks in Crimea and point them toward Kiev until you cry uncle joe.

Making a mockery of NATO/EU, as Putin appears to be doing here, undermines NATO's/EU's credibility as a protective collective and helps with Putin's longer term goal of dismantling NATO--or at least keeps NATO from expanding any further East as prospective member countries see how futile Ukraine's NATO flirtations have been.


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It would be nice if Putin would realize why NATO has to exist at all and solve things that way.

NATO only matters for one reason. We don't have a NATO to protect us against Australia or India.

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^^^exactly, which is also why Putin sees NATO as his personal enemy #1. If he can break, or at least marginalize NATO....


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