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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nah. You guys got this.

I'll just sit back and wait for the CSFMB to solve the economic troubles of the world like we always do.

:lol:

Its a compliment. I always notice your absence in these threads and think you'd be a great source on it all.



My official stance: These people are hustlers who broke the law and deserve punishment and it has zero to do with what the mark up might be.


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lot of these retail chains are headed for bankruptcy: Sears, JC Penny, Toys R Us, Radio Shaq, etc.

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We can codify all the rules we want, call them laws, but regardless of those laws, for most people whatever they do is "right", and something they would never do is "wrong".

A good example is this friend of mine, hard right-winger, law and order motherfucker, death penalty, lock 'em up and throw away the key guy. But he smokes weed every fucking day and runs an unlicensed (ILLEGAL!!!!!!) business out of his house. I guess those things don't count because he doesn't think they do. And that's the way most people are. Man can usually manage to justify any type of behavior he wants.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nah. You guys got this.

I'll just sit back and wait for the CSFMB to solve the economic troubles of the world like we always do.

:lol:

Its a compliment. I always notice your absence in these threads and think you'd be a great source on it all.



My official stance: These people are hustlers who broke the law and deserve punishment and it has zero to do with what the mark up might be.


And they'll get punishment. It's a funny story. I certainly don't think they're heroes for stealing dolls from Wal-Mart. But if I have my choice about who we should lock up, I'd let Branko walk free and put a couple guys from Wal-Mart's Board of Directors in prison in his place.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nah. You guys got this.

I'll just sit back and wait for the CSFMB to solve the economic troubles of the world like we always do.

:lol:

Its a compliment. I always notice your absence in these threads and think you'd be a great source on it all.



My official stance: These people are hustlers who broke the law and deserve punishment and it has zero to do with what the mark up might be.


And they'll get punishment. It's a funny story. I certainly don't think they're heroes for stealing dolls from Wal-Mart. But if I have my choice about who we should lock up, I'd let Branko walk free and put a couple guys from Wal-Mart's Board of Directors in prison in his place.

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How many dolls and big wheels can you walk out with? and arent all the video games under lock and key and you need to pay before they give you the game>?

I bet it was all legos. Those are freakin' expensive.


No doubt. What a fucking ripoff.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
spanky wrote:
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How many dolls and big wheels can you walk out with? and arent all the video games under lock and key and you need to pay before they give you the game>?

I bet it was all legos. Those are freakin' expensive.


No doubt. What a fucking ripoff.


When my goofy business partner was a high school punk, he liked to go into one Toys "R" Us and switch a price tag on a huge Lego set. So it would be like a $120 set and he'd put a $10 sticker on it. Then he would return it at another Toys "R" Us. He likes to tell the story about how a Mexican dude was checking him out once and looked at this gigantic Lego set marked ten bucks and rang it right through and smiled and said, "That's a niiiiiiiiiiiice price!"

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The point is that people get bent out of shape when the poor (or whoever else) steals in the sense they have been taught is "stealing." But then when the rich guys "steal" every day, no one raises an eye brow. When you hoard 1% of the wealth, stealing by the other 99% should be expected. But Mini Ditka wants to lock them up for 20 years with no parole. Keep in mind this is a crime that only hurts millionaires and billionaires financially by a fraction of what they are worth (and not even that much if they have insurance). And yet, the conversation here is that they should have the same prison sentence as a rapist or someone who commits manslaughter. :roll:
I don't think it's fair to say no one raises an eyebrow about the wrong or illegal actions of millionaires and billionaires. It's just harder to get them on a lot of stuff because they stay just on the acceptable side of the law. I hate Wal-Mart more than most people, but I understand that legally they are allowed to do some of the things they do such as how poorly they pay workers. They do violate laws in other ways though.

I just don't think you have to choose sides. Stealing is wrong no matter how rich or poor you are. The reasons why people need to steal are a different discussion with better solutions needed.

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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?

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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?
We would have to define "no other option". Are we assuming this person lives in a country without government assistance programs?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?
We would have to define "no other option". Are we assuming this person lives in a country without government assistance programs?


It's a hypothetical moral question. Say there is absolutely no other option. I'm just curious.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?
We would have to define "no other option". Are we assuming this person lives in a country without government assistance programs?


It's a hypothetical moral question. Say there is absolutely no other option. I'm just curious.


There is always an option... Whore yourself out to 100 ugly chicks for $20 bucks a pop.

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leashyourkids wrote:
It's a hypothetical moral question. Say there is absolutely no other option. I'm just curious.
I would not consider it wrong then.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?


I didn't know action figures made in China were edible.

What you're referring to is situation ethics. For the most part the end rarely justifies the means. Or in other words you're saying that you can do the wrong thing if you have a really good reason.

If people are really that desperate they should get on government assistance or go to a food bank. Did you ever notice how people who are "supposedly stealing to feed their family" don't always steal food?

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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?


I didn't know action figures made in China were edible.


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If people are really that desperate they should get on government assistance or go to a food bank. Did you ever notice how people who are "supposedly stealing to feed their family" don't always steal food?



They steal something of value, and sell it for money. You are really giving Chas a run for his money lately.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?


I didn't know action figures made in China were edible.

What you're referring to is situation ethics. For the most part the end rarely justifies the means. Or in other words you're saying that you can do the wrong thing if you have a really good reason.

If people are really that desperate they should get on government assistance or go to a food bank. Did you ever notice how people who are "supposedly stealing to feed their family" don't always steal food?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?


I didn't know action figures made in China were edible.

What you're referring to is situation ethics. For the most part the end rarely justifies the means. Or in other words you're saying that you can do the wrong thing if you have a really good reason.

If people are really that desperate they should get on government assistance or go to a food bank. Did you ever notice how people who are "supposedly stealing to feed their family" don't always steal food?

Joel Osteen wants to help you live the life of victory and abundance that God intended for you.


Which is a bigger crime- taking dolls from Wal-Mart or selling salvation to the uneducated masses?

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I am so fucking impressed with Osteen's con job and what its turned into that I almost cant work up the normal disgust


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Mini Ditka wrote:
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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?


I didn't know action figures made in China were edible.

What you're referring to is situation ethics. For the most part the end rarely justifies the means. Or in other words you're saying that you can do the wrong thing if you have a really good reason.

If people are really that desperate they should get on government assistance or go to a food bank. Did you ever notice how people who are "supposedly stealing to feed their family" don't always steal food?

Typical big government liberal response.

They should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and take what they need.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
The point is that people get bent out of shape when the poor (or whoever else) steals in the sense they have been taught is "stealing." But then when the rich guys "steal" every day, no one raises an eye brow. When you hoard 1% of the wealth, stealing by the other 99% should be expected. But Mini Ditka wants to lock them up for 20 years with no parole. Keep in mind this is a crime that only hurts millionaires and billionaires financially by a fraction of what they are worth (and not even that much if they have insurance). And yet, the conversation here is that they should have the same prison sentence as a rapist or someone who commits manslaughter. :roll:
I don't think it's fair to say no one raises an eyebrow about the wrong or illegal actions of millionaires and billionaires. It's just harder to get them on a lot of stuff because they stay just on the acceptable side of the law. I hate Wal-Mart more than most people, but I understand that legally they are allowed to do some of the things they do such as how poorly they pay workers. They do violate laws in other ways though.

I just don't think you have to choose sides. Stealing is wrong no matter how rich or poor you are. The reasons why people need to steal are a different discussion with better solutions needed.


I don't think it's always that clear. Take some bankers who leverage their political connections to stymie otherwise reasonable regulation efforts in order to maximize profits in flagrantly unethical ways, all while paying less in taxes than the janitors they employ. Laws may or may not have been broken in the process, but that's because it's not always clear if the power and influence of particular people in particular sectors is subordinated to law or vice versa. That's why it's easier to call out a single mother for stealing cheap diapers than it is to call out white collar crime, and not necessarily because white collar folks always stay "just inside the law."

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nah. You guys got this.

I'll just sit back and wait for the CSFMB to solve the economic troubles of the world like we always do.

:lol:

Its a compliment. I always notice your absence in these threads and think you'd be a great source on it all.



My official stance: These people are hustlers who broke the law and deserve punishment and it has zero to do with what the mark up might be.


More importantly he's a liar. He told us a few months back he was going to share his thoughts in one of these threads and never delivered.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Do you consider stealing wrong if someone has no other option to feed their family?
We would have to define "no other option". Are we assuming this person lives in a country without government assistance programs?


It's a hypothetical moral question. Say there is absolutely no other option. I'm just curious.


No it's not wrong.

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People who steal money from other people tend not to do enough jail time in my opinion. Why not give them 20 years each without parole?

Why not just burn them at the stake?


It's not about torture. It's about the fact that non-violent criminals tend to get light sentences even though in some cases the money they took is other people's life savings.


Jesus pardoned a thief, you want to give him 20 years without parole.

Yikes.


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Jesus saved his soul. He didn't get the guy off the cross.


Jesus pardoned him. He did not judge him.
In this instance, and the one we are talking about in this thread, he left judgement up to others. Christianity is easy to talk about, but harder to live.

If you are judged by the way you judge others, you are going to be in for a big surprise. Not my thoughts, but God thoughts.

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If you are judged by the way you judge others, you are going to be in for a big surprise. Not my thoughts, but God thoughts.


I think white collar criminals get off too easy. They don't pay the people back that they stole money from. A year in jail doesn't give the victims their life savings back. In some cases the ponzi scheme guys get out of jail after a year or two and pull the same scam. I'm not suggesting they should be put to death, but merely do the time they are required to do based on what they have stolen.

You can be pardoned by God for your crimes, but still be required to do jail time. Wanting someone to do the full sentence for what they have stolen in no way relates to how they should be judged by God for what they have done. These are separate issues. Forgiveness ultimately does not mean that the person who committed the crime is to be let off for what they have done in terms of the court of law. It is more an issue of the offended person releasing the offender into God's hands rather than being bitter towards them. It doesn't affect the court of law.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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If you are judged by the way you judge others, you are going to be in for a big surprise. Not my thoughts, but God thoughts.


I think white collar criminals get off too easy. They don't pay the people back that they stole money from. A year in jail doesn't give the victims their life savings back. In some cases the ponzi scheme guys get out of jail after a year or two and pull the same scam. I'm not suggesting they should be put to death, but merely do the time they are required to do based on what they have stolen.

You can be pardoned by God for your crimes, but still be required to do jail time. Wanting someone to do the full sentence for what they have stolen in no way relates to how they should be judged by God for what they have done. These are separate issues. Forgiveness ultimately does not mean that the person who committed the crime is to be let off for what they have done in terms of the court of law. It is more an issue of the offended person releasing the offender into God's hands rather than being bitter towards them. It doesn't affect the court of law.


Didn't you say something a few days ago, about not liking it when people shove their religious beliefs down the throats of others?

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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If you are judged by the way you judge others, you are going to be in for a big surprise. Not my thoughts, but God thoughts.


I think white collar criminals get off too easy. They don't pay the people back that they stole money from. A year in jail doesn't give the victims their life savings back. In some cases the ponzi scheme guys get out of jail after a year or two and pull the same scam. I'm not suggesting they should be put to death, but merely do the time they are required to do based on what they have stolen.

You can be pardoned by God for your crimes, but still be required to do jail time. Wanting someone to do the full sentence for what they have stolen in no way relates to how they should be judged by God for what they have done. These are separate issues. Forgiveness ultimately does not mean that the person who committed the crime is to be let off for what they have done in terms of the court of law. It is more an issue of the offended person releasing the offender into God's hands rather than being bitter towards them. It doesn't affect the court of law.


I'm well aware of what forgiveness entails.

The post you made about jail time involved you making a judgement. One that;

a) Wasn't necessary
b) Wasn't asked for
c) Was done without knowing the circumstances and culpability of all involved.

Many of your posts appear to be for your own self gratification. The Bible is pretty clear about judging others. If you are judged the same way you often lay it on others, you are in for a rude awakening.

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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nah. You guys got this.

I'll just sit back and wait for the CSFMB to solve the economic troubles of the world like we always do.

:lol:

Its a compliment. I always notice your absence in these threads and think you'd be a great source on it all.



My official stance: These people are hustlers who broke the law and deserve punishment and it has zero to do with what the mark up might be.


More importantly he's a liar. He told us a few months back he was going to share his thoughts in one of these threads and never delivered.


I limit my economic discussions to the Cubs threads.

Besides, I'm not well-versed on the subject.

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Besides, I'm not well-versed on the subject.
That doesn't stop a few certain people.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Nah. You guys got this.

I'll just sit back and wait for the CSFMB to solve the economic troubles of the world like we always do.

:lol:

Its a compliment. I always notice your absence in these threads and think you'd be a great source on it all.



My official stance: These people are hustlers who broke the law and deserve punishment and it has zero to do with what the mark up might be.


More importantly he's a liar. He told us a few months back he was going to share his thoughts in one of these threads and never delivered.


I limit my economic discussions to the Cubs threads.

Besides, I'm not well-versed on the subject.


:lol: That's why we value your opinion even more.

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