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But I don't disagree with the first part. 99% of the media in this country operates within that small box. I think the difference between you and me is that I'm willing to make some concessions for even a little bit of sanity (even if it is still within that small box). From what I've read of your views, you are not. You seem more all or nothing, and that's fine. Perhaps you are more principled than I am. Within the box, and to me, Stewart is one of the most logical ones we have.

Also, look at Fox ' s viewership. It may be easy, but most still don't see it.

I understand that opinion. I don't think it has anything to do with principles. I just find our entire democratic system to be hypocritical and oppressive and it's hard for me to be complimentary of anyone who supports it, especially seemingly bright guys like Maher and Stewart. They have willingly chosen what they believe to be the lesser of two evils, while often refusing to acknowledge that they are still supporting evil people and ideas. I agree that Stewart is one of the more logical, intelligent voices within this paradigm, but that doesn't make me respect him more. It makes me respect him less.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:45 pm 
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Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?

Chas keeps trying, but he's losing his new found will to fight.

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But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.


wOkay if we have to consider what comes out of Stewart then Rush and Alex Jones are valid sources of information

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Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?


What about Romney and Bob Dole?



It all goes back to President Dukakis.

President Bush and his excellent Sec of State,realizing the overriding importance of the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, assured Gorbachev that if he disbanded the Warsaw Pact (which Gorbachev subsequently did) NATO would freeze at its current borders, and not attempt to push further East toward Russia.


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Russia’s incursion (invasion if you prefer) into Crimea, with prospects for movement into Eastern Ukraine, is the culmination of US/NATO policy since 1991.

The unraveling of the USSR and its Soviet bloc (the Warsaw Pact) dismantled the largest empire in modern history.

Gorbachev for his part recognized that the Warsaw Pact nations needed to be let go..


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NATO alliance thus remained the main threat that had held the Soviet Union together

So Russia had vital security concerns that could only be met by assurances that NATO would not move into the Warsaw Pact states
, where so much Soviet blood had been shed in World War II. President George H. W. Bush (#41) made assurances that if the Soviets were to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, Russia must be assured that the NATO would not fill the vacuum. But his successor, Bill Clinton, broke this promise by quickly taking the former Warsaw Pact states into NATO, and then moved into territory formerly occupied and incorporated into the USSR with the Baltics.
It should have been foreseen – and probably was inevitable – that these new entrants wanted NATO, given their own experience with Soviet occupation. But the eagerness of a triumphalist United States to surround Russia militarily rather than disarm led Russian leaders to feel betrayed by the US breaking its word.


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But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.


wOkay if we have to consider what comes out of Stewart then Rush and Alex Jones are valid sources of information

What? No, Chas. I'm not a fan of Stewart but he's not 1.) a drug-riddled phony who admittedly riles people up for money, or 2.) certifiably fucking insane.

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But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.



wOkay if we have to consider what comes out of Stewart then Rush and Alex Jones are valid sources of information


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But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.


wOkay if we have to consider what comes out of Stewart then Rush and Alex Jones are valid sources of information

See there's a difference here. Stewart shows how full of shit your boys Rush and Hannity et all are by using factual information.

Alex Jones makes up his own factual information, and then the weak minded like you get pissy when we point that out to you.

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Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?


What about Romney and Bob Dole?

Well ok.

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What? No, Chas. I'm not a fan of Stewart but he's not 1.) a drug-riddled phony who admittedly riles people up for money, or 2.) certifiably fucking insane.


But they are all the same,entertainment. They can be used as a place to go search for more information but to say okay we can only use this guy but not that is wrong.
How about Dennis Miller is he valid or is he too right wing for you.
So as stated before,you need to look beyond what is given to us,you have to look further than what is given. Jones is slightly insane but he does make you think and look for more information.

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Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?


What about Romney and Bob Dole?


I will give you Dole but Romney never held a Federal level position.

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So is Dennis Miller, whom I believe is every bit as smart as Stewart, is to be dismissed? After all he was a comedian and appears mostly as a segment on O'Reilly's show on Fox. So he is a looney tunes, lying, asshole of some sort because he prefers the right? Do I have this correct?

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Some people on this board also love Carolla who also is a benchmark contributor to O'Reilly's show. Not to mention that Stewart and O'Reilly do sold out shows together on the same bill to discuss stuff and raise money.

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So is Dennis Miller, whom I believe is every bit as smart as Stewart, is to be dismissed? After all he was a comedian and appears mostly as a segment on O'Reilly's show on Fox. So he is a looney tunes, lying, asshole of some sort because he prefers the right? Do I have this correct?

Who said that?

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Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?


What about Romney and Bob Dole?


I will give you Dole but Romney never held a Federal level position.


I wasn't serious about either. Bob Dole was a better public servant than just about everyone in Washington right now.

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Jones is slightly insane but he does make you think and look for more information.

You have to look for more information because the information you get from him are complete lies.

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So is Dennis Miller, whom I believe is every bit as smart as Stewart, is to be dismissed? After all he was a comedian and appears mostly as a segment on O'Reilly's show on Fox. So he is a looney tunes, lying, asshole of some sort because he prefers the right? Do I have this correct?

Who said that?



There are people here that hold the position that everything Fox is fake, lies, propaganda or otherwise bullshit. I was simply trying to point out that if you are smart you will pick and choose the good and bad from all sources and digest it all for your mind to decide things. Too many here (and I prefer Fox) use only the black and white or nuclear approach as to what is good or bad or right or wrong as far as political tv.

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pittmike wrote:
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So is Dennis Miller, whom I believe is every bit as smart as Stewart, is to be dismissed? After all he was a comedian and appears mostly as a segment on O'Reilly's show on Fox. So he is a looney tunes, lying, asshole of some sort because he prefers the right? Do I have this correct?

Who said that?



There are people here that hold the position that everything Fox is fake, lies, propaganda or otherwise bullshit. I was simply trying to point out that if you are smart you will pick and choose the good and bad from all sources and digest it all for your mind to decide things. Too many here (and I prefer Fox) use only the black and white or nuclear approach as to what is good or bad or right or wrong as far as political tv.

I think most people realize what Fox News and MSNBC are. Their reputations are earned. There's probably decent, credible stuff on each, but why bother sifting through tons of garbage to find it when there are plenty of other places that don't require that chore?

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What? No, Chas. I'm not a fan of Stewart but he's not 1.) a drug-riddled phony who admittedly riles people up for money, or 2.) certifiably fucking insane.


But they are all the same,entertainment. They can be used as a place to go search for more information but to say okay we can only use this guy but not that is wrong.
How about Dennis Miller is he valid or is he too right wing for you.
So as stated before,you need to look beyond what is given to us,you have to look further than what is given. Jones is slightly insane but he does make you think and look for more information.


It's not the same at all. You have to understand the difference. Mark Twain and Lenny Bruce are not the same as Robert Welch and Michael Moore.

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What? No, Chas. I'm not a fan of Stewart but he's not 1.) a drug-riddled phony who admittedly riles people up for money, or 2.) certifiably fucking insane.


But they are all the same,entertainment. They can be used as a place to go search for more information but to say okay we can only use this guy but not that is wrong.
How about Dennis Miller is he valid or is he too right wing for you.
So as stated before,you need to look beyond what is given to us,you have to look further than what is given. Jones is slightly insane but he does make you think and look for more information.


It's not the same at all. You have to understand the difference. Mark Twain and Lenny Bruce are not the same as Robert Welch and Michael Moore.

Like telling your dog he has to learn to play the piano.

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Jones is slightly insane but he does make you think and look for more information.

You have to look for more information because the information you get from him are complete lies.


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What? No, Chas. I'm not a fan of Stewart but he's not 1.) a drug-riddled phony who admittedly riles people up for money, or 2.) certifiably fucking insane.


But they are all the same,entertainment. They can be used as a place to go search for more information but to say okay we can only use this guy but not that is wrong.
How about Dennis Miller is he valid or is he too right wing for you.
So as stated before,you need to look beyond what is given to us,you have to look further than what is given. Jones is slightly insane but he does make you think and look for more information.


It's not the same at all. You have to understand the difference. Mark Twain and Lenny Bruce are not the same as Robert Welch and Michael Moore.

Like telling your dog he has to learn to play the piano.

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So is Dennis Miller, whom I believe is every bit as smart as Stewart, is to be dismissed? After all he was a comedian and appears mostly as a segment on O'Reilly's show on Fox. So he is a looney tunes, lying, asshole of some sort because he prefers the right? Do I have this correct?

Who said that?



There are people here that hold the position that everything Fox is fake, lies, propaganda or otherwise bullshit. I was simply trying to point out that if you are smart you will pick and choose the good and bad from all sources and digest it all for your mind to decide things. Too many here (and I prefer Fox) use only the black and white or nuclear approach as to what is good or bad or right or wrong as far as political tv.

I think most people realize what Fox News and MSNBC are. Their reputations are earned. There's probably decent, credible stuff on each, but why bother sifting through tons of garbage to find it when there are plenty of other places that don't require that chore?



I give you a great deal of credit. Most Fox bashers will never admit that their beloved MSNBC (not saying that is your thing) is the other side of the same coin.

As for picking out of the muck I have to say that people like Greta, Hume and Krauthammer dig or have solid thoughts worth digesting.

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MSNBC is definitely not my thing. In the words of the great Matt Stone, "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals."

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I think most people realize what Fox News and MSNBC are. Their reputations are earned. There's probably decent, credible stuff on each, but why bother sifting through tons of garbage to find it when there are plenty of other places that don't require that chore?


Dead on.

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MSNBC is similar to Fox but they aren't the same. Fox doesn't care about making things up and will ignore any criticism of their news. Both are bias.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:51 pm 
Nobody said anything about Dennis Miller. It's a typical GOP defense mechanism anytime something good is said about Stewart to bring him up.

Problem is Miller hasn't been funny for a long time. Regardless of his politics.


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Nobody said anything about Dennis Miller. It's a typical GOP defense mechanism anytime something good is said about Stewart to bring him up.

Problem is Miller hasn't been funny for a long time. Regardless of his politics.



Well don't lump me in because I can take Stewart and Colbert as much as Miller or others. The only place I draw a line is I hate Maher as much as lefties hate Rush and I do not listen to Rush.

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I completely agree. I also think the comedian label doesn't invalidate any serious positions said comedian has. Penn Jillette is a comedian/entertainer and someone who also should be listened to, IMO.
The "He's just a comedian" comes from the double standard that many of these "comedians" get. If you agree with what they said/did, then they are great political minds. If you don't, then they are "just a comedian". Bill Maher is a better example but Stewart has his fair share of politicial idiocy too.

Also, people pretend that Stewart is some great political mind. He's a funny guy who does well at picking the low hanging fruit provided by the terrible state of cable news. My guess is that if Stewart ran for office he'd just be your standard liberal Senator.

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I completely agree. I also think the comedian label doesn't invalidate any serious positions said comedian has. Penn Jillette is a comedian/entertainer and someone who also should be listened to, IMO.
The "He's just a comedian" comes from the double standard that many of these "comedians" get. If you agree with what they said/did, then they are great political minds. If you don't, then they are "just a comedian". Bill Maher is a better example but Stewart has his fair share of politicial idiocy too.

Also, people pretend that Stewart is some great political mind. He's a funny guy who does well at picking the low hanging fruit provided by the terrible state of cable news. My guess is that if Stewart ran for office he'd just be your standard liberal Senator.

I completely agree with the second part of this post, but I don't really understand the double standard angle. Of course people should be held accountable for whatever they say, regardless of their profession.

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So is Dennis Miller, whom I believe is every bit as smart as Stewart, is to be dismissed? After all he was a comedian and appears mostly as a segment on O'Reilly's show on Fox. So he is a looney tunes, lying, asshole of some sort because he prefers the right? Do I have this correct?

Who said that?



There are people here that hold the position that everything Fox is fake, lies, propaganda or otherwise bullshit. I was simply trying to point out that if you are smart you will pick and choose the good and bad from all sources and digest it all for your mind to decide things. Too many here (and I prefer Fox) use only the black and white or nuclear approach as to what is good or bad or right or wrong as far as political tv.

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