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I frequently drive by a spot that has 3 crosses that are a good 6' high. They've been there for over a decade.

I'm always a bit surprised that they remain. I sympathize but those types of memorials shouldn't be permanent.


That's the other thing. The atheists let it stand for a couple of years. Not like they did this right away.

Or they just found out about it. The local government never told her to take it down, and it's their property.

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it's stories like this that make me really wonder if media outlets are just inventing shit just to arbitrarily start arguments on the internet. like it's some kind of science project. it's working, that's for sure.


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FavreFan wrote:
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I frequently drive by a spot that has 3 crosses that are a good 6' high. They've been there for over a decade.

I'm always a bit surprised that they remain. I sympathize but those types of memorials shouldn't be permanent.


That's the other thing. The atheists let it stand for a couple of years. Not like they did this right away.

Or they just found out about it. The local government never told her to take it down, and it's their property.


The local government probably should have had it taken down immediately, most likely based on sign ordinances. I can't imagine you're allowed place 5 foot objects wherever you want on the side of the road on public property.

And to be fair, the government did decide it needed to come down once the atheists complained.


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How long would it last if it were a 5 foot Muslim sign?

I'm guessing just as long. Most people wouldn't even recognize what it is. I know I can't really think of an easily identifiable Muslim sign. I wouldn't even know what the Quran looks like unless it was just a bit statue of a book that says Quran on the front of it.

Well at 5 feet someone would ask

Anyway I can't imagine being the person spearheading this thing for the humanists


There has to be bigger fish to fry


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And to be fair, the government did decide it needed to come down once the atheists complained.

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it's stories like this that make me really wonder if media outlets are just inventing shit just to arbitrarily start arguments on the internet. like it's some kind of science project. it's working, that's for sure.

If God existed He wouldnt allow these threads


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And to be fair, the government did decide it needed to come down once the atheists complained.

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http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local ... 41091.html


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To the atheist group it is offensive. The person placing the cross on public property is also forcing their popular belief on others as well. What's popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular.


Tough shit. This country has become a country full of whiny babies who spend way too much time worrying about other people. Worrry about yourself, not others. The Athiest group is intolerant.

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To the atheist group it is offensive. The person placing the cross on public property is also forcing their popular belief on others as well. What's popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular.


Tough shit. This country has become a country full of whiny babies who spend way too much time worrying about other people. Worrry about yourself, not others. The Athiest group is intolerant.


Aren't you being intolerant of their views? Do to others as you would have them do to you. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.

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10 bucks says that dickhead from Buffalo Grove was involved in some way.


I wasn't aware that BernSTINE lived in Bufflo Grove

No I can't remember the guy's name. If you lived in BG or AH or MP or Meadows in the 80's-90's and were involved in anything that remotely mentioned "God" at any time, guarantee this assbag would show up and cause an issue.

Rob Sherman? Doesn't his daughter get in on it too?

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Nas wrote:
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To the atheist group it is offensive. The person placing the cross on public property is also forcing their popular belief on others as well. What's popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular.


Tough shit. This country has become a country full of whiny babies who spend way too much time worrying about other people. Worrry about yourself, not others. The Athiest group is intolerant.


Aren't you being intolerant of their views? Do to others as you would have them do to you. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.


We all go through life with many differences & diversity around us. The world would be a better pace if people stopped worrying about what everyone else is doing.

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I agree, but I also stand firm on my principle that people should get their shit off the side of the road.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:29 pm 
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10 bucks says that dickhead from Buffalo Grove was involved in some way.


I wasn't aware that BernSTINE lived in Bufflo Grove

No I can't remember the guy's name. If you lived in BG or AH or MP or Meadows in the 80's-90's and were involved in anything that remotely mentioned "God" at any time, guarantee this assbag would show up and cause an issue.

Rob Sherman? Doesn't his daughter get in on it too?

That's the guy. Not sure on his daughter. I'm an old man now so it was just him when I was hearing about it.


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it's stories like this that make me really wonder if media outlets are just inventing shit just to arbitrarily start arguments on the internet. like it's some kind of science project. it's working, that's for sure.


I bet "people on twitter" are going crazy.

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First of all, all memorials like that should have a cleanup date of no more than a month. It's not going to do any good to have a memorial there two years later.

However, you'd think a true atheist wouldn't care. They'd drive past it and just shrug like they would if it was a Mickey Mouse statue. The problem is that many atheists are just as bad as the religious nutjobs who push their thoughts on others. As an atheist, you should never cite "religious freedom" unless it has to do with some sort of actual discrimination. You don't believe in any of that stuff. What do you care? I drive past movie posters on bus stops all the time that are within 10 feet of the street. I don't think Ironman 3 violates my religious freedom. It's just a symbol.

If I was a true atheist, I'd just laugh at the fact that when I die I "know" that I will cease to exist. Being right is the best revenge.

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Call up your government and ask them to mow the grass by the street for you. See if they agree with your statement.

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There shouldn't be any roadside memorials at all. That's what cemeteries are for. Ever since Princess Di this shit has gotten out of hand. I just hope to God nobody ever dies on my front lawn.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
First of all, all memorials like that should have a cleanup date of no more than a month. It's not going to do any good to have a memorial there two years later.

However, you'd think a true atheist wouldn't care. They'd drive past it and just shrug like they would if it was a Mickey Mouse statue. The problem is that many atheists are just as bad as the religious nutjobs who push their thoughts on others. As an atheist, you should never cite "religious freedom" unless it has to do with some sort of actual discrimination. You don't believe in any of that stuff. What do you care? I drive past movie posters on bus stops all the time that are within 10 feet of the street. I don't think Ironman 3 violates my religious freedom. It's just a symbol.

If I was a true atheist, I'd just laugh at the fact that when I die I "know" that I will cease to exist. Being right is the best revenge.

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Public/government are the same thing.
Call up your government and ask them to mow the grass by the street for you. See if they agree with your statement.


"Violates my religious freedom" is sort of missing the point, or at least not the crux of the issue.

Most atheists really only care if it is costing the government money to maintain, or if it's debatably "establishing a religion." In those cases, I fully support them.

Again, here they are technically right most likely based on sign ordinances. You can't allow that kind of stuff to get put up, religious or not.


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Most atheists really only care if it is costing the government money to maintain
:lol: I highly doubt that is the real reason. That's as dumb as the "I don't want to pay for birth control for my workers" objection.

I would imagine that in terms of government budgets that the money spent on religious related material is completely inconsequential.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Most atheists really only care if it is costing the government money to maintain
:lol: I highly doubt that is the real reason. That's as dumb as the "I don't want to pay for birth control for my workers" objection.

I would imagine that in terms of government budgets that the money spent on religious related material is completely inconsequential.


Dude, yes. That's partly because atheists freak out if the government spends money on religious crap. It should be zero, not inconsequential. Constitution?


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Dude, yes. That's partly because atheists freak out if the government spends money on religious crap. It should be zero, not inconsequential. Constitution?
My religion forbids dog parks and fireworks. Will you join me in fighting for those to be gone?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Dude, yes. That's partly because atheists freak out if the government spends money on religious crap. It should be zero, not inconsequential. Constitution?
My religion forbids dog parks and fireworks. Will you join me in fighting for those to be gone?


The spending upsets atheists because it's furthering religion or an attempt to establish a religion. If you want to argue that fireworks and dog parks are furthering a single religion, you may have an argument.


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The spending upsets atheists because it's furthering religion or an attempt to establish a religion. If you want to argue that fireworks and dog parks are furthering a single religion, you may have an argument.
So, as long as a symbol represents more than one religion it's ok?

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The spending upsets atheists because it's furthering religion or an attempt to establish a religion. If you want to argue that fireworks and dog parks are furthering a single religion, you may have an argument.
So, as long as a symbol represents more than one religion it's ok?


That's a debatable topic. But yes, many atheists fight so that they can put up what they want as well. Ie, if the government has a Jesus crèche, atheists are given the same kind of display for their own beliefs. Again, supporting multiple religions doesn't advance one over another, or establish a certain one.


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That's a debatable topic. But yes, many atheists fight so that they can put up what they want as well. Ie, if the government has a Jesus crèche, atheists are given the same kind of display for their own beliefs. Again, supporting multiple religions doesn't advance one over another, or establish a certain one.
So it's not about spending then since you know, they want them to spend more.

Thanks for clarifying.

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That's a debatable topic. But yes, many atheists fight so that they can put up what they want as well. Ie, if the government has a Jesus crèche, atheists are given the same kind of display for their own beliefs. Again, supporting multiple religions doesn't advance one over another, or establish a certain one.
So it's not about spending then since you know, they want them to spend more.

Thanks for clarifying.


No, they don't want the government to spend on ANY of that stuff. My example was of the government giving public space for a church to set up a religious display. If the government is going to give them the space, they should offer that space to anyone.


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No, they don't want the government to spend on ANY of that stuff. My example was of the government giving public space for a church to set up a religious display. If the government is going to give them the space, they should offer that space to anyone.
In that case, I don't want the government spending money on dog parks or fireworks because my religious beliefs are against them even though atheists and Christians think they are alright.

It's either about the money or it isn't.

Let's just hope the Amish don't show up in my town.

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No, they don't want the government to spend on ANY of that stuff. My example was of the government giving public space for a church to set up a religious display. If the government is going to give them the space, they should offer that space to anyone.
In that case, I don't want the government spending money on dog parks or fireworks because my religious beliefs are against them even though atheists and Christians think they are alright.

It's either about the money or it isn't.

Let's just hope the Amish don't show up in my town.


If you are against dog parks and fireworks, and can get a judge to agree that the government is advancing other religions over yours by supporting those 2 things, then go for it.


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And it is about the money. If the government is spending everyone's tax dollars on christian displays, that's wrong.


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If you are against dog parks and fireworks, and can get a judge to agree that the government is advancing other religions over yours by supporting those 2 things, then go for it.
Once again, you are now back to the "advancing other religions" thing.

Just admit that it isn't really about money being spent.

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And it is about the money. If the government is spending everyone's tax dollars on christian displays, that's wrong.
To me, dog parks and fireworks are religious displays. Who are you to say it isn't?

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