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The dad for killing the boy or the daughter for lying saying she didn't know him?

A Houston-area dad shot a teenager who was invited into his home by his teen daughter, police say. (MyFoxHouston.com)

A Houston-area father fatally shot a 17-year-old boy who was inside his teen daughter's bedroom early Thursday morning, MyFoxHouston.com reported.

The father, who was not identified, was notified by one of his children that there was someone in his 16-year-old daughter's room, the report said. He reportedly found his daughter in bed with the teen.

The confrontation occurred around 2:20 a.m. The father had a gun and asked the teen to identify himself, police said, according to the report. His daughter reportedly told her father that she did not know the teen and that the two were not in bed.

The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun. His daughter later confessed that she did indeed know the teen, the report said.

"You just feel terrible for the families," one neighbor told the station. "You just kind of reflect on both of these families’ lives have changed forever."

The father was taken by ambulance from the home for treatment of an unrelated medical situation. So far no arrests have been made, but detectives told the station that they are going to refer the case to a grand jury.

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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.

This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.

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I can completely understand the dads actions.

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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.

This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.


He was in his home and the daughter didnt identify him... He's lucky he got a warning not to move, I dont know if I would have given him the opportunity.

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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.

This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.


He was in his home and the daughter didnt identify him... He's lucky he got a warning not to move, I dont know if I would have given him the opportunity.

If this was your daughter, you would have just murdered someone based on false information she gave to you. How would you be able to live with that the rest of your life?

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Probably nobody.

That would be a shame then. One or both of them should be charged with the death of this kid, who did nothing wrong.

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

I get that, but I can't imagine having to live the rest of your life knowing that you murdered someone based on a lie your daughter told you.

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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.

This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.


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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

But you do agree that this was murder and somebody should be charged, right?

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

I get that, but I can't imagine having to live the rest of your life knowing that you murdered someone based on a lie your daughter told you.

no doubt a terrible thing. The daughter has to live with the fact that she lied and that lie cost him his life and she had to witness that.

The whole thing is fucked up.

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If this was your daughter, you would have just murdered someone based on false information she gave to you. How would you be able to live with that the rest of your life?


I'm not thinking about the rest of my life, I'm thinking of protecting my daughter from getting raped. I'd kill just about anyone in my house to protect my kids.

However; I hope that I would have taught my daughter not to sneak asshole 17yr olds into the house while I'm home. Wait until I'm out of town or use the backseat of the car like a good god fearing teenager!

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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.
This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.
I agree.

This kid was probably just reaching to pull his pants back up.

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

But you do agree that this was murder and somebody should be charged, right?

yeah I do. Not sure who tho. I would probably lean more towards the daughter. Given that information I would think the majority of us would have acted in the same way had it been our daughter and we were told the same thing.

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

But you do agree that this was murder and somebody should be charged, right?


I dont think anyone should be charged. A man saw someone in his home that shouldnt have been. It's tragic and everyone's lives will be forever altered by it.

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It is clearly not murder.

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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.
This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.
I agree.

This kid was probably just reaching to pull his pants back up.


Maybe he shouldnt be sneaking into someone's home. If I'm in someone's home and they have a gun on me and tell me not to move, I stand the fuck still. I dont care if my wang is flopping in the breeze.

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

But you do agree that this was murder and somebody should be charged, right?


I dont think anyone should be charged. A man saw someone in his home that shouldnt have been. It's tragic and everyone's lives will be forever altered by it.

That's a pretty crazy opinion, IMO. An innocent teenager was murdered and the father and daughter were responsible, intentionally or not. I'm not a lawyer, so I wouldn't know if it was manslaughter, murder, etc, but I cant believe somebody would read this story and not agree that a crime was committed.

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It is clearly not murder.


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The dad walked in and shot first without asking questions. Then his daughter and he came up with this story where no one is guilty.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun.
This defense needs to stop. You can pretty much just shoot anyone now and claim you saw them reach for something. BOOM dead.
I agree.

This kid was probably just reaching to pull his pants back up.


Maybe he shouldnt be sneaking into someone's home. If I'm in someone's home and they have a gun on me and tell me not to move, I stand the fuck still. I dont care if my wang is flopping in the breeze.

I agree with the last part of this, but how do you know the kid knew he wasn't supposed to be in the home? I don't think the victim did anything wrong in this situation.

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The dad walked in and shot first without asking questions. Then his daughter and he came up with this story where no one is guilty.

if that is the case then you make up a better story than that. The guy forced his way into her window and was raping the girl. Boom dead.

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in the heat of the moment you would not have known it was "false" information.

But you do agree that this was murder and somebody should be charged, right?


I dont think anyone should be charged. A man saw someone in his home that shouldnt have been. It's tragic and everyone's lives will be forever altered by it.

That's a pretty crazy opinion, IMO. An innocent teenager was murdered and the father and daughter were responsible, intentionally or not. I'm not a lawyer, so I wouldn't know if it was manslaughter, murder, etc, but I cant believe somebody would read this story and not agree that a crime was committed.


Trespassing maybe? I dont know if a minor can legally give permission to enter their parents home. This wasnt like he was invited in for dinner and the dad shot him. This was the middle of the night and chaotic. If my daughter is telling me point blank she doesnt know this guy who is in her room in the middle of the night, I am doing what I think is necessary to protect my children.

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The dad walked in and shot first without asking questions. Then his daughter and he came up with this story where no one is guilty.


Perhaps. But like RFDC said, why make up a story that ends with your daughter lying?

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Trespassing maybe? I dont know if a minor can legally give permission to enter their parents home. This wasnt like he was invited in for dinner and the dad shot him. This was the middle of the night and chaotic. If my daughter is telling me point blank she doesnt know this guy who is in her room in the middle of the night, I am doing what I think is necessary to protect my children.

You busting in the room with a gun should be enough to protect her. If they were in middle of fucking and the kid doesn't stop, then yeah go ahead and shoot him. That isn't what happened though. It reads like the dad just wanted to shoot the kid fucking his daughter.

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It is clearly not murder.
I agree.

I don't think anybody (including the dead kid) is 100% innocent and charges should be filed, but not murder charges.

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The dad walked in and shot first without asking questions. Then his daughter and he came up with this story where no one is guilty.

if that is the case then you make up a better story than that. The guy forced his way into her window and was raping the girl. Boom dead.

That's not a better story. Havent you ever seen CSI? All that stuff can be proved false


Hard to prove the daughter didnt say "I dont know him"

Its obviously the perfect story, since were all sitting here debating who to charge and the lawyer is checking in saying no one will get charged.


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The dad walked in and shot first without asking questions. Then his daughter and he came up with this story where no one is guilty.


Perhaps. But like RFDC said, why make up a story that ends with your daughter lying?

Because lying is not illegal.

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Trespassing maybe? I dont know if a minor can legally give permission to enter their parents home. This wasnt like he was invited in for dinner and the dad shot him. This was the middle of the night and chaotic. If my daughter is telling me point blank she doesnt know this guy who is in her room in the middle of the night, I am doing what I think is necessary to protect my children.

You busting in the room with a gun should be enough to protect her. If they were in middle of fucking and the kid doesn't stop, then yeah go ahead and shoot him. That isn't what happened though. It reads like the dad just wanted to shoot the kid fucking his daughter.


Unless the guy has a gun and is reaching for it after you told him not to move... Are you going to assume that he is just pulling up his pants when he could be reaching for a gun? I'm not putting my families safety at risk. Stand there with your wang out while I call the cops.

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