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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:51 pm 
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"Legally" there's no way in hell he's done up for anything more than voluntary manslaughter.
That's probably the correct charge given the circumstances...unless there's more to the story (and there usually is).


Of course, but point taken.

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If his daughter was being raped she likely would have screamed for help.. Instead she was probably moaning like a little slut and that pissed off the dad. Dad hears this, grabs the gun and kills the kid.


maybe she just decided to enjoy it like Bobby Knight suggests


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If his daughter was being raped she likely would have screamed for help.. Instead she was probably moaning like a little slut and that pissed off the dad. Dad hears this, grabs the gun and kills the kid.

So much for guns protecting the family.. Now this family will be torn apart with the father (hopefully) in prison for a long time.

I can't believe anyone could think the father shouldn't be punished.

I think Jaw Breaker's point about being threatened to be silent is valid.


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If his daughter was being raped she likely would have screamed for help.. Instead she was probably moaning like a little slut and that pissed off the dad. Dad hears this, grabs the gun and kills the kid.


maybe she just decided to enjoy it like Bobby Knight suggests


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You can't charge the father with a crime. I am not sure what anyone expects a man to do in that situation. It's 2 o'clock in the morning and someone is in your daughter bed that she says she doesn’t know. Most fathers would do exactly the same thing if not worse.

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Most fathers would do exactly the same thing if not worse.


:lol: how much worse could it have gotten ?


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ok, so from now on, kids, if you don't like someone, invite them over to your house and have your dad shoot them.. no harm, no foul.


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Most fathers would do exactly the same thing if not worse.


:lol: how much worse could it have gotten ?


I may have unloaded a magazine in his head or dismembered his body. I can only imagine the rage I would have. That's how most fathers would react about their daughter.

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ok, so from now on, kids, if you don't like someone, invite them over to your house and have your dad shoot them.. no harm, no foul.


Do you have a daughter? If so what would you do at 2 o'clock in the morning if you were in the same position as the father? Ask more questions or protect your child?

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Assuming they are telling the truth (the daughter said she didnt know him and the kid went to reach for something) I cant fault the dad at all.


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ok, so from now on, kids, if you don't like someone, invite them over to your house and have your dad shoot them.. no harm, no foul.


Do you have a daughter? If so what would you do at 2 o'clock in the morning if you were in the same position as the father? Ask more questions or protect your child?


she didn't need to be protected. She invited him over to fuck him.


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ok, so from now on, kids, if you don't like someone, invite them over to your house and have your dad shoot them.. no harm, no foul.


Do you have a daughter? If so what would you do at 2 o'clock in the morning if you were in the same position as the father? Ask more questions or protect your child?


she didn't need to be protected. She invited him over to fuck him.

He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight at that moment. You wouldn't either.

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Assuming they are telling the truth (the daughter said she didnt know him and the kid went to reach for something) I cant fault the dad at all.

I agree. Personally, I would be devastated that I shot and killed someone because of a lie. Not sure I would be able to deal with that, even if in that moment you thought what you were doing was justified.

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Assuming they are telling the truth (the daughter said she didnt know him and the kid went to reach for something) I cant fault the dad at all.


A teenage girl would rat her father out over a boy the majority of the time IMO.

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Assuming they are telling the truth (the daughter said she didnt know him and the kid went to reach for something) I cant fault the dad at all.

I agree. Personally, I would be devastated that I shot and killed someone because of a lie. Not sure I would be able to deal with that, even if in that moment you thought what you were doing was justified.


He's probably sick. I would be.

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bosco wrote:
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ok, so from now on, kids, if you don't like someone, invite them over to your house and have your dad shoot them.. no harm, no foul.


Do you have a daughter? If so what would you do at 2 o'clock in the morning if you were in the same position as the father? Ask more questions or protect your child?


she didn't need to be protected. She invited him over to fuck him.


Of course we know that now, we have the luxury of judging at a comfortable distance. Not in the middle of the night when your child is telling you they dont know the person that is in your bed.

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Assuming they are telling the truth (the daughter said she didnt know him and the kid went to reach for something) I cant fault the dad at all.

I agree. Personally, I would be devastated that I shot and killed someone because of a lie. Not sure I would be able to deal with that, even if in that moment you thought what you were doing was justified.


Yeah, I would be all messed up. You thought you were protecting your daughter and instead you killed a teenager for doing nothing more than probably answering a booty call snap chat at 3AM. In this guys shoes, I probably do the same thing though.

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ok, so from now on, kids, if you don't like someone, invite them over to your house and have your dad shoot them.. no harm, no foul.


Do you have a daughter? If so what would you do at 2 o'clock in the morning if you were in the same position as the father? Ask more questions or protect your child?


she didn't need to be protected. She invited him over to fuck him.

He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight at that moment. You wouldn't either.


I for sure wouldn't have shot him.. not only because I don't own a gun, but because you should understand that teenagers lie all the time. I find it hard to believe this girl was a little angel.

This is just another reason why guns suck. Because people are irrational at times, and as a result, people die that shouldn't.


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i admit this is easy for me to say this all after the fact... but seriously.. guns are bad news. No way this kid dies without that gun.


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But if the guy was really raping his daughter at knifepoint, the gun would have just saved her life. You cant blame the gun for this. A baseball bat swing to the head could have killed the kid just as easily.

Marty McFly would have died in the second BttF if that dude had better aim... He was throwing some haymakers with that bat.

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how did this guy allegedly gain entry into the home again ?

i don't understand how (again, if their story is true) the second that dude enters the room she's not screaming her ass off . long before he even has a chance to say 'make a sound and i'll kill you'


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how did this guy allegedly gain entry into the home again ?

i don't understand how (again, if their story is true) the second that dude enters the room she's not screaming her ass off . long before he even has a chance to say 'make a sound and i'll kill you'


Slip in a window while she's asleep. Cover her mouth and show her the knife while explaining what happens if she screams.

OR

Could be a kid from school she does know that knocked on her window. She lets him in he gets aggressive and starts pushing the issue...

OR

It was a simply booty call and she panicked when her dad walked in.

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Not sure what bosco is saying is all hindsight.

A father's first reaction when he finds out a teenage boy is in a bedroom with his teenage girl isn't going to be that the guy is a stranger trying to ransack the house. Mine wouldn't be at least.

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she didn't need to be protected. She invited him over to fuck him.

He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight at that moment. You wouldn't either.


I for sure wouldn't have shot him.. not only because I don't own a gun, but because you should understand that teenagers lie all the time. I find it hard to believe this girl was a little angel.

This is just another reason why guns suck. Because people are irrational at times, and as a result, people die that shouldn't.


If you had a bat and your daughter tells you someone she doesn't know is in her bed at 2am then you would beat the guy until you passed out. This isn't a gun issue. It's about protecting your family.

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It's about protecting your family.


Well, he fucked up, and now instead of protecting his family, he likely destroyed it. And someone elses


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Not sure what bosco is saying is all hindsight.

A father's first reaction when he finds out a teenage boy is in a bedroom with his teenage girl isn't going to be that the guy is a stranger trying to ransack the house. Mine wouldn't be at least.


At 2am you don't know if t is a teenage boy and it wouldn't matter if she says she doesn't know him. The father didn't run in the room and start shooting.

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It's about protecting your family.


Well, he fucked up, and now instead of protecting his family, he likely destroyed it. And someone elses


He made the right decision.

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Would you stand there and ask questions Bosco? Would you let the guy off with a warning? Would you tell your daughter you think she is lying? What would you do? We know you wouldn't have a gun and that is fine.

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Not sure what bosco is saying is all hindsight.

A father's first reaction when he finds out a teenage boy is in a bedroom with his teenage girl isn't going to be that the guy is a stranger trying to ransack the house. Mine wouldn't be at least.


At 2am you don't know if t is a teenage boy and it wouldn't matter if she says she doesn't know him. The father didn't run in the room and start shooting.

He clearly saw him, had time to have a conversation with him/in front of him - I'm guessing by that point you'd know it's a teenager.

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