Were they all happy, healthy, bright, outgoing etc while in the class your wife taught and then they got the shots and became autistic over the time your wife knew them?

Or were they already autistic by the time your wife encountered them and their prior state of being happy/outgoing etc was hearsay from unhappy parents?

Also, when does autism manifest? Can they tell a child is autistic right out of the womb or does it become apparent a few years down the road.

I think the anti-vac contingent is crazy as fuck; and I can imagine being a parent and wanting to blame some "outside" force that caused the issues a child is having.

Don't imagine.

There are a lot of well thought out counter points to vaccinations. Take some time if you will and read them.

And two of the kids were children of friends.

If you think 1 of 88 sets of parents are looking to blame some kind of imaginary outside forces, then I don't really know what to say other than Elvis is still alive and Kennedy is living happily ever after in Cuba.

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Posters unwillingness, inability or uneasiness to question what has been force fed to them is a little disconcerting but not at all surprising.

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My wife has been a special ed teacher for 6 years with many autistic children, and none of them experienced a quick change like that.

And for every 3 you know, how many kids do you know who were vaccinated with no reaction? And how can you prove it was the vaccination and not something else, assuming the personality change was immediate like they say? It could be that they also ate a hot dog, or drank water or laughed too hard. Did you suspect it could be anything else? What makes you sure it's the shots and not something else?

Look Bucky, I'm not trying to prove anything.

We raise our kids differently then most here. There is ample scientific evidence to question medical personnel with regards to injuries from vaccines.

Choose to, or don't. It's not easy going against popular thought. Spaulding and Panther understand this.

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I'm actually interested in hearing from you though. When we had to make the decision, I did a fair amount of research and found literally no data or studies linking autism and vaccines. Zero. Not a single one. I only perused a lot of this thread, but do you have any data, other than "3 kids you know?"

And it's definitely fair to be skeptical about doctors in general, and no one suggests they are always right... But I'm trying to figure what makes you go from being skeptical of doctors/science to flat out rejecting all studies on Autism and vaccines.

Thanks. I also have an aunt who had polio and she had to limp through her life and now is confined to a wheel chair. I tried to research the rates of polio in the 50's with no luck, but from what I remember hearing it was nothing like 1 in 88.

All I know is something is and has caused this outbreak of autism and it's like nothing is really being said about it. Polio in the 50's was considered an epidemic and people stopped going in public pools, stopped going to amusements parks, etc.

Today, 1 in 88 kids are basically walking vegetables and we hear virtually nothing about it. Is this some kind of medical conspiracy? Does the CDC know alot more than what it publishes? Who the fuck knows, but what is factual is there is 1+% of the population growing up as basically zombies.

What's going to happen? Are there going to be autism cities for these people in the future?? That sounds like some kind of crazy Sci Fi movie but 1 of 88 is a staggering number and nothing seems to be changing??

Scary shit.

I don't think I said that every parent with an autistic child blames vaccinations for the kid's autism. I think parents like Jenny McCarthy looking to blame vaccinations for their child's state are, obviously, looking for an outside influence that caused their child's condition.

If you look at the research in the paper I linked above, https://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news ... in-mothers , the brain-eating antibody that attacks the fetus' brain and is linked to autism actually comes from the host mother---and often a host mother who has known or asymptomatic auto-immune issues.

So autism is a 2nd generation auto-immune disease. Derived from the auto-immune conditions of children of the 1960's and 1970's, when these auto-immune conditions/diseases began to explode. Peanut allergies, various forms of diabetes. MS, arthritis, lupus, etc etc are also exploding.

It's not Adam Carolla's imagination that there were no kids with peanut allergies back when he went to school. It is a recent phenomena associated with the general rise in auto-immune diseases which the Econ Talk podcast and Ted talk I linked above make a very strong case is connected to our hyper-sterile, purell'd environment.

Throwing the anti-vac cult a bone: Maybe there is a connection between our pristine environment leaving us with sub-optimal immune systems and then those children born and raised without exposure to sufficient environmental bacteria/viruses having a reaction to these vaccinations that previous generations reared on farms and such were tough enough to handle without issue. I highly doubt this is the case, as it seems as tho these conditions are set in the womb, but it is something worth considering. (And I'm guessing has already been debunked).

I really don't have anything to say about the people that reject vaccines or autism. I do suspect however that the blow up in autism spectrum disorders is a little misleading. I am 47. When I was young in order to be diagnosed autistic you had to be 100% rain man. No that has been redefined to a spectrum from mild to Asperger's to full blown. I suspect this warps the numbers and why there appears to be more cases. The data gatherers I assume lump them all together.

As an aside, my middle daughter was diagnosed with Asperger's when she was 2. She had all kinds of weird tendencies and we had to go through all sorts of things trying to work on that. Well she is almost 16 and a straight a student 3 sport athlete. At worst she haas my OCD tendencies.

Did she outgrow autism?

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Elections have consequences.

Possibly the dumbest statement in the entire thread. I'm stunned that there are people with this viewpoint.

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You are very lucky.

This is how I feel, and I can see why some people won't take that risk.

Sure I am and I do not mean to minimize at all. Just pointing out one possibility why autism numbers are substantially higher now.

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Elections have consequences.

Tell your father-in-law to keep the Round-up out of your kid's cereal bowl.





http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opini ... d=all&_r=0

Understood.

No, but it sounds like you had a good intervention strategy.

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People with autism-spectrum disorders are neither walking vegetables nor zombies.

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I've said there are lots of theories, pesticides is 1 of them.

Another aside from the info post a couple above. When I was a kid I knew maybe 2 kids in a giant school with asthma and an inhaler. In recent years I coached my son in youth football. On a single team of 25 kids I was juggling 8-9 freaking inhalers. WTF is with that?

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I beg to differ.

Even the neurologist cited above referred to his own daughter as a zombie:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ ... ekey=87686

Yes there are varying degrees but many sadly are lost in their own worlds.

Interesting case. Sounds like the kid was messed up from birth and the vaccinations were a catalyst for the disease to more fully manifest itself, not the root cause of her autism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/us/08vaccine.html

OK Spaulding lets work this out then. Keeping in mind I have no opinion on vaccines but have done the regular routine with my kids nonetheless. We have some blame vaccines, some say pesticides, some say the numbers of autistic cases is over counted relatively (me), parallel antibody issues from mom and some say no problem whatsoever.

Shouldn't that amount of varied thoughts give some pause or thought about there being one cause like vaccines only?

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Yep, my ex has asthma (supposedly) and uses an inhaler and it looks like my youngest daughter has similar issues.

Not sure the stats but just another fun fact in early 21st century life.

Probably a mix of increased pollution and increased households where even comfortably middle-class people live like pigs.

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You are a fucking idiot.

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Alrighty then.

You sound supremely ignorant. You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe take the rest of the day off.

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Pollution's declined in the United States, considerably. I think it's the opposite. People living in filth and pollution in Cambodia, for example, don't have autism, or likely peanut allergies, or inhalers, or diabetes, or MS or a host of other auto-immune issues running rampart through suburban USA these days:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opini ... d=all&_r=0