I don't really understand how one could knock him for playing strategically. If it's within the rules and someone thinks it creates a competitive advantage or doesn't play to the "spirit of the game," then it's Jeopardy's job to change the rules, not his to adhere to some unwritten rule so that people will like him. In competition, that's why rules are so important. As a contestant, it is your job to push the rules as far as you can go if it creates some sort of advantage for you. It is the job of the rule-makers to ensure that there is no way to "skirt" what is intended with the rules.

I also don't know why people care that he was "short" with Trebek. Alex is rude to pretty much everyone who comes on the show. Who cares?

And yes, a thread about vaccinations has turned into a philosophical conversation on the etiquette of Jeopardy.

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Right. He can do what he wants. But he also shouldn't be surprised that the world thinks he's a prick. You're well within your rights to walk up to a craps table where 8 or 10 of us are screaming for the shooter to make points and play "Do Not Pass". You just shouldn't expect to be beloved for doing so.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Heard Ken Jennings on a podcast and apparently Chu's strategy goes back to 1985 and is called "the Forrest Bounce"



Jennings admitted to occasionally resorting to this jump around the board strategy when he felt some heat from the competition. Somebody gets on a roll and starts running categories, throw em a curve by jumping around categories and dollar values. Watson waxed Jennings based on buzzing in. No idea how they programmed Watson to buzz in but it was almost impossible for Jennings to beat Watson buzzing in.

I guess what bothers me about Chu is that he reminds me of a guy I grew up with. We were all gamblers, guys who could figure percentages out quickly. We would play all kinds of games- card games, Risk, Scrabble. And this guy, rather than beating you on what he knew, his skill and/or knowledge vs. yours, he liked to beat you through quirks in the rules or by rattling you with his jack-off behavior during the course of the game. I suppose it's fair if you want to play that way, but most people are going to respect the guy who wins based on his knowledge/skill more than they respect the guy who wins based on his ability to irritate others. I'm sure this friend of mine loves Chu.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

that could also describe the way a few posters post here...

I dont understand what the difference is with Chu vs other contestants?


I see people jump from category to category all the time. Its a common practice right?

unwritten Jeopardy rules

It cant be just that.

He's not the first guy to switch categories

No, he's not the first, but jumping to a higher dollar answer is not common and considered bad form among purists. Also, he played to tie a cute broad he knew he could beat so she would come back with him the next day and he didn't risk facing a tougher opponent.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Danny Mac's a fan of those category-switchers.

As CH pointed out above, probably Chu's looks don't endear him to the home audience. But for the glasses and being Bernstein sized, Chu has a punchable face:

The tie thing I could see being annoying. The jumping around should be more common.


Also, there should be no such thing as a Jeopardy purist

Jeopardy etiquette - right and wrong side of history.

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Chuck!

There's a name from the past that I didn't expect to hear today. Back in the day, we had basketball practice a couple hours after school so a few of us would hang out a friend's house and play video games and watch Chuck on Jeopardy.

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how do the Press Your Luck purists feel about Michael Larson's strategy ?

Chuck's got a touch of the Spicoli:

Yeah, but that dude was smart enough to be a Score sports radio host.

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There are real risks with giving people vaccines. You are ignoring that risk. They aren't ignoring science they are weighing options. Some parents are more willing to take the risk of their child maybe getting disease X than them being harmed by vaccine X. That should be their choice.

statistically speaking, don't the odds of coming down with one of the illnesses the vaccines inoculate against dwarf the odds the vaccine will turn the kid autistic? It'd be like not going to the doctor because you're afraid you'll be struck by lightning, or, given the science (lack of science) behind vaccines-cause-autism, abducted by space aliens on the way there.

That was awesome. Too bad he lost it all.

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Hilarious too as he kept cheering a split second before the thing stopped because he knew the timing and whatever came uo wouldn't be a whammy

There are some risks with any medical procedure or treatment. Parents who don't vaccinate are making it more likely their child will die. They are making it more likely that other children will die. That isn't opinion. It's medical fact that has been proven by a wide margin. I know it sounds bad, but parents who refuse to vaccinate are making it much more likely that their children will die at an age much younger than they should. This is even more maddening as the person who is pushing it hardest, ended up being not only wrong about the vaccines, but she wasn't even right that the child had autism. Yeah, lets ignore decades of medical advice and usage and billions of dollars in research and development and more billions in training because someone who hosted Singled Out thinks something.

Now, maybe there is a small risk with vaccines even though there is no evidence besides unsubstantiated myths. You know what isn't a myth? It's what happens when you don't vaccinate. We have centuries of records as to what happens to a non-vaccinated society. It's not good.

The risks are monumentally greater for not giving people vaccines. These diseases were mass killers of people. They would be again. That is why this is so dangerous. If even 10% of the population were to stop getting vaccinated, we'd see returns of these diseases and possibly with a resistance to current vaccines.

That is not their choice. They are wrong. Go get a medical degree and then maybe you can make that decision, however, you'd get sued to the point of being penniless if you blatantly ignore actual data. If a parent thinks they are truly smarter than virtually ALL medical knowledge on this subject, then they should just opt out of the whole medical system and see how well the kid does by never seeing a doctor. The science on vaccines is better than most of the medical procedures I've had in my life and probably the same is true for you. Parents often have to choose a medical procedure where death is a small but potential outcome. However, we are worried about some completely unsubstantiated medical myths?

This whole trend is incredibly troubling. Parents at parties all pretending like they know more than the ENTIRE medical field which has, even with a lot of trying, never been able to find any link to autism from vaccines.

I think any parent who doesn't want to vaccinate should have to sign a document claiming they are denying all medical care for their child. After all, if you can't trust something that literally has NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE then you really don't want to take a chance with medical procedures and treatments which do have known side effects and are applied with the concept that you have to play the percentages even with some risks. I'm just glad my parents didn't hold off on a surgery for me as a baby because they were afraid of the potential but highly unlikely side effects. Hopefully other parents who refuse to vaccinate don't one day regret it.

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I don't know. It might depend on the disease or place you live and life style.

I looked up polio on CDC.gov. It said.

The last cases of naturally occurring paralytic polio in the United States were in 1979, when an outbreak occurred among the Amish in several Midwestern states. From 1980 through 1999, there were 162 confirmed cases of paralytic polio cases reported. Of the 162 cases, eight cases were acquired outside the United States and imported. The last imported case caused by wild poliovirus into the United States was reported in 1993. The remaining 154 cases were vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) caused by live oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV).

It went on to say they found infections in mn in 2005 but I don't think the carrier showed symptoms.

I'd guess that in the us the chances of having a reaction to a vaccine is greater but that's because so many people are vaccinated. I don't see how what's on the cdc website could be true but I don't have the time to look now.

It should be noted that the us ranks around 30 in infant mortality rate. I'm pretty sure a lot of that is premature births but I don't know for sure.

Also we have lots of auto immune issues and allergies that other countries, developed and undeveloped don't have. I have heard that the Amish communities are over all healthier than the "mainstream" ones.
I've never looked but if it's true we are doing something wrong.

For a developed country we have a lot of chronic illnesses.

Very ranty. Do you know any of this as fact, was it put out by somebody that benefits from those facts, or is it just what you think?

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-measles-20140317,0,5862673.story#axzz2wG00lo2J

Please note, the doctor that started this whole thing, was stripped of his medical license because of just how improper his methods were.

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That's because the Amish don't eat 2 slabs of ribs for breakfast and then sit behind a computer looking at fantasy football all day.

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Really important point, drug companies make very little money off vaccines. Doctors really don't either.

Yeah, BRick, vaccinating for polio, measles, mumps and rubella saves lives?!?

Speaking of "facts" put out by somebody that benefits from those facts...

That isn't and hasn't been my viewpoint.

When you have a moment Brick, count the kids who died from measles, mumps or rubella last year in this country.

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