But if you were in charge, would you have no one get vaccinated?

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We have children that were vaccinated.

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I think the human immune system is quite amazing in structure and practice.

We would eventually get to the point where we would be able to fight off many deadly diseases. Like most people already do.

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You do know that in 2012, 122000 people died worldwide of measles and that is with 84% of the worlds children being vaccinated?

Somehow though, you think we'll simply cure measles by getting it enough.

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By the way, in 1980, before widespread use of the measles vaccine, an estimated 2.6 million people died a year from it.

In 32 years, from 2.6 million, down to 112,000. Who cares? Let's let parents decide because they know better than the global medical community!

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I think we will cure and/or contain many more deaths by providing children with the ability to develop a healthy immune system.

This includes cleaner water in some places and healthier food choices in others.

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I wasn't aware measles was caused by dirty water and a lack of a balanced breakfast. Thanks!

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Share your Mini-Wheats, save a life, Brick.

I wasn't either.

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Seemed to have a touched a nerve Tad.

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Brick and, I think, Spaulding had a go 'round a while back about what constitutes a healthy breakfast. IIRC Brick was pro-Mini Wheats and Spaulding did not necessarily agree.

No. It's possible we are vaccinating at wrong times, over vaccinating, or should look into why some people have adverse reactions tho.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2013/09/30/whooping-cough-outbreaks-tied-to-parents-shunning-vaccines

Once again, this is not a debate. Unless there is a known medical reason to not get a vaccine, you should get one. This would be like not putting your kid in a car seat because in very rare circumstances a car seat can harm a child.

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You can do better than that Rick. That report doesn't prove anything. You can't NOT believe vaccinations cause autism if you're buying this report as being right. Very small sample size and they listed other likely causes.

. Factors that may have played a role in this outbreak include the waning immunity associated with the newer vaccine, better diagnosis techniques and the cyclical nature of whooping cough.

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I didn't say that report proved anything. I could go on for pages with other studies, or even just posting statistics that show the dangers of not vaccinating for the general population and for individuals. I pretty much have already.

I don't even know what your point is at this point. Should we stop giving vaccines to kids?

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I'm sorry you're upset because you got exposed trying to make a point with a weak study. My point is clear. I've repeated it multiple times. I am sure you know where I stand by now. Happy Friday BR.

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Upset?

You seem to be in denial about something. That is why you refuse to answer the very simple question of if we should still give vaccines to children.

Anyways, enjoy going against ALL supportable science on a topic!

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No problem! I'm not going to get in a debate with you about something I have been clear on since my first post in this thread. You want to change the subject because you were exposed.

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The subject is on vaccinations and those who don't want to vaccinate children. It isn't changing the subject to ask if you think we should vaccinate children.

By the way, your "first post in this thread" said that you do think kids should get vaccinated, so, how exactly am I changing the subject?

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I choose to get my kids vaccinated but I completely understand and respect the decision of a parent that chooses not to. You're having a hard time with that. You acknowledge that the science could be wrong and that the anecdotal evidence could be proven to be right in the future but you still won't stop accusing parents who refuse SOME vaccinations of being negligent.

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No, I understand that virtually all science "could" be wrong. I mean, the Sun "could" be made of candy canes.

They are negligent. That isn't a debate. Unless you have a proven medical condition, you are much more likely to injure or kill your child by not vaccinating. That is why I mentioned the car seat thing. Yes, there is an incredibly small chance that a car seat can injure a child. The chances are significantly greater that not using a car seat will injure or kill your child.

Again, please answer what would happen if every parent chose not to vaccinate their children. You won't, because you know the answer.

That really is the ironic thing here. Even if vaccines caused autism in a very small portion of the population(and there is no supportable evidence that they do), it would still be the duty of every parent to vaccinate children unless there is a specific reason the child can't be vaccinated. That is why we vaccinate now, even with the small risks associated with them. It's because the percentages don't even leave room for debate.

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Long term I don't know what would happen. Short term it would probably be an issue. But I don't believe anyone here has said don't get any vaccinations.

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The same thing that happened to the Black Plague.

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Boy I'd love to say this was original, but I cannot.

Conspiratorial thinking is an evolutionary capacity built upon trust.

The conspiracy theorist parasites use the ideas of their conspiracy to hijack the evolutionary capacity of trusting certain authority and turning that trust into trusting their own authority (credibility).

"Oh you believe in vaccines? Well actually it has mercury in it and it causes autism. The government is manipulating people because it is owned by corporations trying to make a profit from selling these vaccines to children."

Then when you say "no but there is no scientific evidence of any autism or anything"--they reply "no you've been duped by the corporations trying to make a profit."

It's like a switch has been turned on in their brains that makes them label you as the enemy as well as anyone else defending the practices that they are attacking.

It's no different than Salem Witch Trials. This is the same kind of manipulation of the masses into taking action against a perceived hidden enemy.

They use the same methods for training Islamists for suicide attacks.

It comes to a point where nothing convinces them. The internet has helped spread these conspiratorial thinking to children who are willing and ready to believe anything that they themselves find. It creates more credibility with them because they weren't TOLD to believe something::: they sought it out for themselves and they convinced themselves. The most convincing manipulation is one where the manipulated are given the seeds for the ideas.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

The Black Plague was likely the result of bacteria rather than a virus. There is still a lot about viruses that we don't understand, but one thing we do know is that they just want to replicate themselves and they are constantly mutating. Frankly, I think viruses might be God.

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Did you know that India is the only country that still has the plague? I mean the plague...please!

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I thought that you were an atheist?

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I am. My point was to illustrate just how much effect viruses- something most people clearly don't think much about- have on Earth.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don