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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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A franchise QB is a guy you draft/develop, sign or trade for, and build your offense around. Obviously sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Cutler is probably an odd case where you get more mixed results than anything. The Bears have definitely built their team around him, thus making him a franchise QB.

Is Tony Romo an elite (top 5) QB? Philip Rivers? Matt Schaub? Matt Ryan? Alex Smith while on the 49ers? Joe Flacco? Eli Manning? All good players, some better than Cutler, but none of them are in the elite grouping yet they are all franchise QBs just like Cutler is.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
A franchise QB is a guy you draft/develop, sign or trade for, and build your offense around. Obviously sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Cutler is probably an odd case where you get more mixed results than anything. The Bears have definitely built their team around him, thus making him a franchise QB.

Is Tony Romo an elite (top 5) QB? Philip Rivers? Matt Schaub? Matt Ryan? Alex Smith while on the 49ers? Joe Flacco? Eli Manning? All good players, some better than Cutler, but none of them are in the elite grouping yet they are all franchise QBs just like Cutler is.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Every QB you named besides Smith and Schaub are better than Cutler, and those two aren't getting paid like top level QBs.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
A franchise QB is a guy you draft/develop, sign or trade for, and build your offense around. Obviously sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Cutler is probably an odd case where you get more mixed results than anything. The Bears have definitely built their team around him, thus making him a franchise QB.
The problem is that every team has a franchise quarterback or will after the draft this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Every QB you named besides Smith and Schaub are better than Cutler, and those two aren't getting paid like top level QBs.



Smith is supposed to get a big extension if not already according to the talk. Schaub already had a big extension. That is why he is getting cut. Just like Cutler will in three years if he isn't worth it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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This is worth it just so people don't complain he's the highest cap hit.


@adamjahns: The #Bears have restructured Jay Cutler's deal. 5 million converted to signing bonus. His cap hit for 2014 is now $18.5 million.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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He still gets the money. Doesn't matter what the bean counters call it.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Peoria Matt wrote:
He still gets the money. Doesn't matter what the bean counters call it.


But I don't have to listen to people saying he is the highest cap hit in the NFL anymore. It's a nice win for me. Please let me enjoy this.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I agree, this changes everything. Great contract now.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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FavreFan wrote:
I agree, this changes everything. Great contract now.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I agree, this changes everything. Great contract now.


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But I don't have to listen to people saying he is the highest cap hit in the NFL anymore. It's a nice win for me. Please let me enjoy this.


I'm with you, Chris. Nice of Cutler to agree to a contract like this so they can sign their draft picks this year. Total team player.

How's that?


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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They had enough to sign the picks before this, fwiw.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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REALLY happy about this:

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Bears sign Jared Allen http://wp.me/p14QSB-9rLw


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I have to root for Jared Allen now? :(

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I am too. He should be motivated.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Bears DE rotation is crystallizing: Houston, Young can stop the run and rush passer. Allen, McClellin, Idonije complement the pass rush.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I like the signing depending on how long and how much.

Now......do they still go d-line at 14? Or safety?


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I wonder if this means Lamarr is moving inside. I think in his opening PC, he said he wanted to be on the outside.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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It's a 4yr/ $32M deal for Jared Allen that voids to 3yrs/$24M with $15.5M guaranteed. That guarantee is in line with the Ware contract


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Emery essentially says D will 4-3 next two years.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I don't know exactly how these numbers add up but why wouldn't they have just kept Peppers for one more year and then cut him instead of doing this? Doesn't the 2014 cap hit end up being close to the same?

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I don't know exactly how these numbers add up but why wouldn't they have just kept Peppers for one more year and then cut him instead of doing this? Doesn't the 2014 cap hit end up being close to the same?


They could have done that, except that Peppers is bad and doesn't sack the quarterback and Jared Allen is good and sacks the quarterback.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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It's a 4yr/ $32M deal for Jared Allen that voids to 3yrs/$24M with $15.5M guaranteed. That guarantee is in line with the Ware contract


That's a lot of money.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Even though it's a 4 year deal, it's probably a 1 year deal (maybe 2) that spreads the cap hit out over the length of the deal.

It's hard to not like this deal on the surface even though we know veteran players production can fall quickly and unexpectedly.

They now have 3 DE's signed this off-season - I assume this means that Lamar Houston will play more DT than may have been anticipated when he was initially signed although neither Allen or Young may be full time starters, perhaps part of a rotation.

I think what this does do, combined with the 3 DT's expected to be in the rotation (Paea, Collins, Ratliff) and now Houston more, it may mean they are looking into the secondary for their first round pick, although I'd still find it hard to pass on a DT in Round 1.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Bears DE rotation is crystallizing: Houston, Young can stop the run and rush passer. Allen, McClellin, Idonije complement the pass rush.


Mc Clellin doesn't complement anything. The guy would be off the team if not for his draft position. I stand by my in season statement that Bass is better and has shown more.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Emery essentially says D will 4-3 next two years.


I really don't understand why people get hung up on 3-4 or 4-3. They both can be effective D. People act like 3-4 would immediately improve conditions.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Kirkwood wrote:
Emery essentially says D will 4-3 next two years.


I really don't understand why people get hung up on 3-4 or 4-3. They both can be effective D. People act like 3-4 would immediately improve conditions.

Desire to put Shea in a situation to succeed to absolve Emery's terrible record of drafting.


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Bears DE rotation is crystallizing: Houston, Young can stop the run and rush passer. Allen, McClellin, Idonije complement the pass rush.


Mc Clellin doesn't complement anything. The guy would be off the team if not for his draft position. I stand by my in season statement that Bass is better and has shown more.


Totally agree. Not sure why Bass' s name doesn't come up. I guess now it's wait and see if McClellan fails at LB.


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