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Slick-fielding/ no-hit SS Jose Iglesias is out for "at least 4 months", and with the potential glut of middle infielders, offering up a Barney or Castro might induce Dombrowski to pull the trigger.


Problem with this: Besides Castellanos, DET doesn't really have anything down on the farm. How about a blockbuster involving Scherzer, then lock him up for when the Coob plans to contend

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Doesn't Sherzer have arm problems??

Donnie Murphy and Barney both have next to no real trade value but maybe they can pluck a young arm from the minors and get lucky down the road.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:31 pm 
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Doesn't Sherzer have arm problems??

Donnie Murphy and Barney both have next to no real trade value but maybe they can pluck a young arm from the minors and get lucky down the road.


Down the road....AGAIN? They can't find a guy that's young but can help now?

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cpguy wrote:
Doesn't Sherzer have arm problems??

Donnie Murphy and Barney both have next to no real trade value but maybe they can pluck a young arm from the minors and get lucky down the road.


Down the road....AGAIN? They can't find a guy that's young but can help now?


For Barney or Murphy??

Come on Pasta!


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jimmypasta wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Doesn't Sherzer have arm problems??

Donnie Murphy and Barney both have next to no real trade value but maybe they can pluck a young arm from the minors and get lucky down the road.


Down the road....AGAIN? They can't find a guy that's young but can help now?


For Barney or Murphy??

Come on Pasta!


I know,I know. I want to see some kind of deal that would at least add to the SP.
Remember Dusty's last year? Injuries had them try about 20 guys at SP. The Cubs are really thin there with little option in case of injury or just suckiness.

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jimmypasta wrote:
cpguy wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Doesn't Sherzer have arm problems??

Donnie Murphy and Barney both have next to no real trade value but maybe they can pluck a young arm from the minors and get lucky down the road.


Down the road....AGAIN? They can't find a guy that's young but can help now?


For Barney or Murphy??

Come on Pasta!


I know,I know. I want to see some kind of deal that would at least add to the SP.
Remember Dusty's last year? Injuries had them try about 20 guys at SP. The Cubs are really thin there with little option in case of injury or just suckiness.


Yea I know but you ain't getting shit for Barney or Murphy so why not go for a minor leaguer who may pay off. And this year they do have Rusin & Hendricks that have a chance to be decent 5th starters so their depth is a little better.

There real problem is no # 1 or # 2. Shark and Wood are 3's at best.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:57 pm 
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Slick-fielding/ no-hit SS Jose Iglesias is out for "at least 4 months", and with the potential glut of middle infielders, offering up a Barney or Castro might induce Dombrowski to pull the trigger.


Problem with this: Besides Castellanos, DET doesn't really have anything down on the farm. How about a blockbuster involving Scherzer, then lock him up for when the Coob plans to contend

What's it going to cost to keep Scherzer off the free agent market? 150M? 175M? Boston is going to have money to burn so I'm not even sure that's going to get it done.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:16 am 
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I don't think Detroit is going to worry too much with Drew still on the open market.

Is there a date on which they would no longer have to pay Boston a first round pick to sign him?

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I think you have to wait until after the draft to not give up the pick.

Detroit can have Barney for minor league LHP Casey Crosby and a bag of shit.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:29 am 
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Read this morning that Detroit's top scout is scouting Barney and Nate.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:43 pm 
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Bucky Chris wrote:
Read this morning that Detroit's top scout is scouting Barney and Nate.

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According to a report by Bruce Levine of CBS Chicago, the Tigers are presently scouting outfielder Nate Schierholtz and infielder Darwin Barney of the Cubs. Levine writes that longtime Detroit exec Scott Reid is following both players this week.

The Tigers are in the trade market thanks to recent injuries to Andy Dirks (back surgery), who was to be the primary half of a left field platoon, and Jose Iglesias (stress fractures in legs), who was to be the starting shortstop. Dirks is expected to be out until June, while Iglesias could miss the majority of the 2014 season.

As for Schierholtz, the 30-year-old is a lefty bat like Dirks, and he owns an OPS+ of 100 across parts of seven major-league seasons. He's also a plus defender, not unlike Dirks.

Barney, meantime, isn't much of a hitter (career slash line of .246/.293/.336), but he's very much a standout defender in the middle infield and has the range and arm to man shortstop. On that point, it's worth noting that Barney in the majors has 131 2/3 defensive innings at short, and coming up through the minors he was a primary shortstop.

As Levine notes, the Cubs would likely seek pitching in return.

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Why haven't the Cubs explored Barney at SS, Castro at 2B and Baez at 3B? Barney becomes much more acceptable as a SS, Castro remains an above average player at 2b and Baez' defense is much less necessary at 3B/

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I'm of the belief that they would like to retain as much of Starlin's perceived value as possible.

There has always been certain "marquee" value to playing certain positions and being able to hit a lick. SS, C, CF, 2B ... the old "Strength up the Middle" adage... but there's these crusty old school fucks in baseball that still place a lot of value in such notions. Irregardless of whether it actually usually makes your team worse on the field, we get situations like Jeter at short over almost anyone; Granderson playing CF w/ the existence of a healthy Brett Gardner in LF; and Anyone in CF while Trout plays LF.... waitaminute, that last one makes no sense at all.... err, yes it does. The Angel is probably trying to suppress his value...

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Why haven't the Cubs explored Barney at SS, Castro at 2B and Baez at 3B? Barney becomes much more acceptable as a SS, Castro remains an above average player at 2b and Baez' defense is much less necessary at 3B/

This is interesting, that's exactly how i would roll 'em out were I the manager. But we aren't... just some shmoes posting drivel for the cretin. DET may overvalue a player like Barney... he's basically the lite-beer version of what they projected Iglesias as-- a guy who gets all his value from his glove (the rest of the Tigger infield is still atrocious). Dombrowski traded Fister-- a solid, proven #2-#3 type for a prospect they see something in that none of the other 29 GMs did. He just might reach for a guy he likes.

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The Tigers announced that Max Scherzer has rejected the Tigers' latest extension offer, meaning that talks between the two sides are done for the season. The pitcher has made it known that he would not negotiate a new contract during the 2014 season.

The Tigers' release indicates that the club made a "substantial, long-term contract extension offer...that would have placed him among the highest paid pitchers in baseball." Moving forward, they say, there will be no further talks during the year.

There ya go. Will Theo and Co be willing to make a 30 year old among the highest paid pitchers in the game??


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The Tigers announced that Max Scherzer has rejected the Tigers' latest extension offer, meaning that talks between the two sides are done for the season. The pitcher has made it known that he would not negotiate a new contract during the 2014 season.

The Tigers' release indicates that the club made a "substantial, long-term contract extension offer...that would have placed him among the highest paid pitchers in baseball." Moving forward, they say, there will be no further talks during the year.

There ya go. Will Theo and Co be willing to make a 30 year old among the highest paid pitchers in the game??


Here are some names to kick around

Jon Lester (31)
"Mad Max " Scherzer (30)
"Big Game" James Shields (33)
or
Justin Masterson (30)

The free agent group for 2015 is getting interesting.....

Who do you want?

Will the Cubs move on more than one of these? Or others like Brandon McCarthy, Edison Volquez, Gavin Floyd, Jake Peavy, Ryan Dempster ?

Do they add one or two and then wait until Brett Anderson, Chad Billingsley. Yovani Gallardo and others go on the market on 2015 for the 2016 season.

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